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[–] 100 points 3 hours ago* (17 children)

We need to make an international spectacle of prosecuting these crimes so the world can see that USA can, in fact, take out the trash. For our own safety and credibility.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    I'm sure jeffires and schumer have other plans. The next battle is voting them out of speakerships.

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  • [–] 1 point 42 minutes ago

    Pretty sure it's a budget standoff. Try to act a victim get all the news spots talking about it. All the while the democrats we just elected are like, "let us hold people accountable." And their deal will magically not let them have a budget to do that.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 hours ago (11 children)

    For our own safety and credibility.

    Do it for your own safety. The credibility bit is now a generational rebuild process. The world doesn't trust you guys anymore. The process to decouple from the US is already in motion and its not going to stop. The damage is done.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 hour ago* (10 children)

    Lol, yesterday it was all, "You guys need to do something! You need to fix this! All of you Americans wanted this! You're ALL pedophile lovers!"

    Today it's all, "It doesn't matter that you protested and organized and worked the polls and wrested control of your legislature and state governments back against overwhelming odds and electoral fraud and ballot fuckery and gerrymanders and billionaire cash and endless streams of propaganda from every direction and threats of ICE violence at the polls and everything else they threw at you! NO! It's not good enough and never will be!"

    Good thing I concentrated my efforts on real life and not on the impossible lines in the sand laid down by people who don't even live here.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 hour ago (7 children)

    As a non-american, while the mid-term results make me feel good, and seeing all the various moves to "right the ship" is great, the fact that so much trust, which much of the world treated as foundational in many ways, was so easily broken in the first place, is what I feel gives the rest of the world pause. It's a basic fact that breaking trust is easy, building it is way harder, and SOOOOO much trust was broken globally by the Trump administration.

    I'm hopeful, but I do agree that building trust back is gonna be a multi-generational thing and quite likely, people are going to put more systems in place to never HAVE to trust another nation as much as much of the world used to trust the US. I do believe some things were irevocably broken, but that doesn't meant things can't get better.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 hour ago* (3 children)

    You've written as though I am heartbroken or offended that no one trusts the US, or that somehow the facts of the matter have all escaped me and I don't actually know how President Krasnov has gone out of his way to offend every single one of our allies beyond their tolerance point and likely beyond repair. Not at all. Look at my post history.

    Even so I have no problem at all with what you just wrote, beyond the fact that you seem to think Americans have zero idea that this is not all there is, and far more change must come, or that you think Americans unilaterally want the world's trust back. No. The world has changed, and we are all changing with it.

    The US has absolutely broken the world's trust, and to be perfectly honest, as an American I'm not sure we ever deserved it, nor that we should ever have it back. Europe needed to have been building its own defenses and resources already, ditto Canada. The entire world -- and especially those countries that so easily withdrew resources and wealth before fucking back off to cooler climes -- needs to be helping the third world.

    Again, to be blunt, what you call "trust" as a non-American, I call my own American tax dollars that went somewhere other than helping me. So don't think it's the be-all and end-all to me that we've lost it. I'd like some fucking healthcare and not have to pay $2k for a goddamn thyroid panel (insurance thing, true story), and you can build your own national resources.

    It can no longer be denied that there is a great deal of corruption at the bottom of that lost international "trust," and while I would not seek to directly insult you personally, the absolute truth is that not all the corruption was or is American. It may well be best at every level to just leave "trust" shattered as it is now and let the new alliances emerge where they may; at the very least, every country or power will be forced to pull its own weight.

    But back to the comment I replied to earlier. The difference between what you wrote and the other one is sincerity: you, personally, are obviously sincere. Or at least you do not expect Americans who are very clearly on the side of wanting the same things you do to be your very own punching bags of discontent while the world does not change fast enough for you personally.

    But there's something else. When Hungary overthrew Orban, or when Serbia threw out their autocrat, or even when Brazil threw out Bolsonaro, I didn't see dogpilers coming out online to attack. They celebrated, and we overwhelmingly celebrated with them. Everybody in the world knows this is not an overnight thing.

    But then again, those countries are not the subject of a protracted decade-long online disinformation and manipulation effort. Mine is. And if there's anything that sticks out as a bad faith comment, it's what I just replied to.

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  • [–] 3 points 50 minutes ago* (1 child)

    👏👏👏

    I would also add that fascistic ideology is on the rise everywhere, and that every nation has its own history of systemic oppression and/or imperialism to reckon with.

    The U.S. may be in the hot seat, and rightly so, but if you aren’t individually actively engaged in dismantling systems of oppression and building a better world where you live, other than voting every election cycle, you have no high horse from which to condescend.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 hour ago* (2 children)

    I doubt that I will ever travel to murikkka again in my lifetime. I'm at the prove it point in my life. I don't give a shit about talking points anymore I want to see action. And murikkka needs a Nuremberg level action for me to even start considering it

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  • [–] 1 point 17 minutes ago (1 child)

    I live here, and I don't trust Americans after this shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 minutes ago*

    You're also a three day old account on an Australian instance, with 234 comments in just three days, mostly Nazi killing content, who has posted that you "live here" more than once on just this thread alone.

    For myself, I like quokk.au and looked into joining it, but the response times are way too slow for me on the East Coast.

    Also, if you could clarify:

    I live here, and I don’t trust Americans after this shit.

    After what shit, specifically? It's kind of a strange thing to say. Me, I haven't trusted Americans my entire life, being one, but you -- some unnamed shit has changed everything about trusting the people of your own land. What might that shit be that has now ended for you and made you feel safe enough to share your concerns?

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  • [–] 15 points 3 hours ago (2 children)