First things first, I don't doubt it is a bad thing, considering who supports it and who doesn't.

But my question is what exactly is the issue and what is the current and proposed voting process when it comes to IDs?

Here in my EU country, you have to show some version of a government ID, be it an ID card, drivers license or passport. And we don't have to pre-register to vote.

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[–] [S] 33 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

Thank you for the very trhourough explanation. That's all fucking distopian.

I can imagine the issue with lack of easy access to government IDs also has other consequences for lower income people.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    How difficult/expensive/time-consuming is it to get a government ID in Europe? Is it something that's sent to you with basically no action on your part?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 5 hours ago

    Unfortunately its neither free nor automatic, though it should be.

    It's about €75 in my country, and you need to go in person. But in general, at least our labor laws are much better so its easier to take PTO for these things,and public transport is good to get there. Most people get them at 14 years old, when it becomes mandatory to have one.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

    That depends completely on the country. There can be very big differences!

    In Finland it works so that you go to some company that will take a photo of you and uploads it to the police's database. Then you go to the web site of the police, log in using your online banking passwords and apply for the new ID card or passport. The site might say "visiting the police station required", in which case you must go physically to a police station to show your face. That was necessary for example when I was getting the first passports for my children. Or if you have no previous ID.

    The new ID card or passport is delivered to the nearest R-Kioski (think Seven-Eleven) and you get it from there by showing your previous ID. If it's your first ID, you probably need to get it in person at the police station when it's ready.

    USA has a rule that people can visit it visa-free only if they are from a country where passports and ID cards are renewed every 5 years or more often. Therefore, in EU the passports must be renewed every 5 years instead of every 10 years like it is in USA, where US laws regarding this do not apply.

    Taking the photo typically costs about 25 €, the actual document is something like 50 or 60 €. So, altogether about 75 € or so.

    And the official instructions for how to apply for an ID card are here: https://poliisi.fi/en/how-to-apply-for-an-identity-card

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  • [–] 27 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

    It makes the homelessness trap nearly impossible to escape without outside help.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 hours ago

    Yeah, when I was homeless after high school and couch surfing, I needed to get a friend to notarize a statement that I was living with him to get my ID so I could get a job. I got lucky, I don't know how I would have done it if I was sleeping rough.

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