Contramuffin comments on do you think doomscrolling on the fediverse is possible?

[–] Contramuffin@lemmy.world 0 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

I fail to see how what I said conflicts with any of what you said. You give a more detailed summary, but what I said, from what I see, is still completely accurate. I make no claim for how society will develop over time, only that societies that operate under socialism or communism should operate in this manner. I also make no claim that the government under communism is the same continuous entity as the government that we currently exist under, only that a government must exist to enforce its will onto companies (a collective of the workers is still a government if it has the ability to enforce its will).

Your comment is informative for sure, and also a good summary of Marxist communism, but it does not directly answer the question posed, ie, how does a society theoretically operate under communism?

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[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 1 point 18 hours ago

I fail to see how what I said conflicts with any of what you said.

I think the differences are subtle but meaningful. I think another way to interpret "communism" in the Marxist sense is "anarchy" meaning there's no central deciding body.

Communism takes this idea and applies it to all companies in all industries. ie, the government has oversight on all companies.

This is different from what I mentioned in my post.

He theorized that eventually we will realize that the capitalist machinery(including the government, borders and nations) must be shuddered in order to truly free everyone.

I did forget to mention that there would also be no money. And there is no government to oversee all these industries. (I understand that in our capitalist world this sounds like libertarianism, but without money there's no profit motive).

how does a society theoretically operate under communism?

Marx doesn't actually postulate what this might look like, but one of my favorite sci fi authors ever did. In Ursula K Le Guin's brilliant novel "The Dispossessed" she imagines what a truly communist society might look like. I highly recommend it if you'd like to see what she thinks it might look like.

But just a a brief description (which doesn't really do it justice). There's no government. The main character is a scientist who works with the university as a collective. Students and teachers have ad hoc discussions about what classes might be interesting to have. Farmers collectives post requests for work during harvesting season. Kitchens request help to areas where they need help. Everyone has some skills and has a culturally ingrained belief that they should help the whole group. They also believe that everyone is equal and nobody should hold power over other people. Nobody is paid for the work but they all see each other as brothers and sisters and so working is something you do, like when your parents ask you do to yard work while one parent cooks and the other parent fixes the car. (This is simplified from the book, I don't think it truly captures the whole of it).