▲ 817 ▼ this is the start of everything falling apart, i can feel it (thelemmy.club) submitted 4 days ago by QuantumEraser@fedia.io to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev 285 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] LaggyKar@programming.dev 68 points 3 days ago (32 children) You can get a lot done when you've got 29 months in a year permalink fedilink source hideshow 32 child comments replies: [–] qarbone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (30 children) ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (3 children) The weird US American Date scheme is not used in most of the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) I wish. Am European. I know one person that voluntarily uses their date and time formats. For reasons I will never comprehend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 child) He or she must enjoy the endless confusion and friction in the interaction with others. That said, some idiotic IT systems use the US format to. Causes a lot of problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago* I'm in the US and have had problems with C-level douches misreading dd-mm-yyyy dates in some system we had that logged in that format and freaking out (and also missing that the log time stamps were in UTC-0, causing further confusion/freakout) Anyway, this is part of why I always use yyyy-mm-dd, because nobody will confuse that date string for any other date, and everyone who can understand dates at all will be able to read it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blackshirt@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (21 children) D/M/Y > M/D/Y permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (2 children) There is only YYYYMMDD permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 9 points 3 days ago (1 child) sadly for everyone that’s factually incorrect, but the phrase DD/MM/YYYY > MM/DD/YYYY does not preclude YYYYMMDD > DD/MM/YYYY > MM/DD/YYYY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago your pedantery is apreciated. permalink fedilink source parent [–] epyon22@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (17 children) Because one lives the other should not long live Y-M-D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children) NO. You need a character per digit and you always want the leading 0 shown. YYYY-MM-DD permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (7 children) At least it makes my folders really easy to sort through... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (6 children) Only if you leave the leading zeros! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago (5 children) …or your file manager is smart enough to do numeric sorting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) you should never make the assumption that software you use is smart, or even not complete garbage …and file managers aren’t the only things that display lists of files. low-level tooling should not be “smart” beyond the most basic sorting without specifically being told first permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago Then there's the problem with "smart" sorting like Windows Explorer does: in a folder with hex based naming, such as the gpo policy folders for an AD domain, it blends alphabetic and numeric in weird ways where it treats number strings as whole numbers in the middle, where a123e would show up after a19bc, as an example, even though it should sort first (Sorry, tangent) permalink fedilink source parent [–] arty@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago I only objected to the use of “only” in the comment above. I’d like to object to "never" as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) ...And you assume you will only ever look at those files with that file manager forever... There is no downside to writing the leading zeroes pretty much anywhere except when aesthetics matter (event flyers, etc) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago I am a big fan of ISO8601, and I only objected to your use of "only" in the comment above. permalink fedilink source parent [–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (1 child) ISO 8601 is the only correct way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] palordrolap@fedia.io 3 points 3 days ago It's close, sure, but actually no. That standard currently requires the letter T (and no white-space) between date and time when both are present, and, frankly, that's ugly and a space should be allowed. An old version of the standard allowed the space, and GNU's coreutils seem to have carried on the tradition, so I'm not alone in thinking this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blackshirt@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago (5 children) OP's graph uses slashes. Dashes would remove all the confusion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago* (4 children) No because it's the global format that typically uses periods. D.M.Y (normal) Y-M-D (superior) M/D/Y (mental illness) Mixing up the formats and denominators makes this mess even worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago (3 children) you should also always specify YYYY-MM-DD because often M and D ignores leading zeros, YY means the 2 digit suffix, and Y… well, i don’t even know what that is but i’m sure it’s something less specific than YYYY if we’re going to be picky about being clear about things, let’s be truly clear about things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) YYYYY would be something like "The Year of Our Lord, Two-Thousand and Twenty-Six" (or probably just "Twenty Twenty-Six", but the other is more ridiculous so I'll go with that) Y would just be "6" but I can't think of any context where that would ever be used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago i reckon Y might be something like years since 1970 or some other epoch (we do things like week number of the year, day number of the year, etc so i think that’s kinda similar) permalink fedilink source parent [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago Yep, I do it in every format. Just kept it short for readability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LaggyKar@programming.dev 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) The dates below the graph permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mcv@lemmy.zip -3 points 3 days ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago Pretty much only in the US. permalink fedilink source parent [+] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org -12 points 3 days ago Some BS AI "visionaries" keep blurting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QuantumEraser@fedia.io [S] 2 points 3 days ago Yeah sorry about that, was the default format in my spreadsheet software and I didn't think to change it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (30 children) ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (3 children) The weird US American Date scheme is not used in most of the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) I wish. Am European. I know one person that voluntarily uses their date and time formats. For reasons I will never comprehend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 child) He or she must enjoy the endless confusion and friction in the interaction with others. That said, some idiotic IT systems use the US format to. Causes a lot of problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago* I'm in the US and have had problems with C-level douches misreading dd-mm-yyyy dates in some system we had that logged in that format and freaking out (and also missing that the log time stamps were in UTC-0, causing further confusion/freakout) Anyway, this is part of why I always use yyyy-mm-dd, because nobody will confuse that date string for any other date, and everyone who can understand dates at all will be able to read it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blackshirt@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (21 children) D/M/Y > M/D/Y permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (2 children) There is only YYYYMMDD permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 9 points 3 days ago (1 child) sadly for everyone that’s factually incorrect, but the phrase DD/MM/YYYY > MM/DD/YYYY does not preclude YYYYMMDD > DD/MM/YYYY > MM/DD/YYYY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago your pedantery is apreciated. permalink fedilink source parent [–] epyon22@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (17 children) Because one lives the other should not long live Y-M-D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children) NO. You need a character per digit and you always want the leading 0 shown. YYYY-MM-DD permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (7 children) At least it makes my folders really easy to sort through... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (6 children) Only if you leave the leading zeros! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago (5 children) …or your file manager is smart enough to do numeric sorting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) you should never make the assumption that software you use is smart, or even not complete garbage …and file managers aren’t the only things that display lists of files. low-level tooling should not be “smart” beyond the most basic sorting without specifically being told first permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago Then there's the problem with "smart" sorting like Windows Explorer does: in a folder with hex based naming, such as the gpo policy folders for an AD domain, it blends alphabetic and numeric in weird ways where it treats number strings as whole numbers in the middle, where a123e would show up after a19bc, as an example, even though it should sort first (Sorry, tangent) permalink fedilink source parent [–] arty@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago I only objected to the use of “only” in the comment above. I’d like to object to "never" as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) ...And you assume you will only ever look at those files with that file manager forever... There is no downside to writing the leading zeroes pretty much anywhere except when aesthetics matter (event flyers, etc) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago I am a big fan of ISO8601, and I only objected to your use of "only" in the comment above. permalink fedilink source parent [–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (1 child) ISO 8601 is the only correct way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] palordrolap@fedia.io 3 points 3 days ago It's close, sure, but actually no. That standard currently requires the letter T (and no white-space) between date and time when both are present, and, frankly, that's ugly and a space should be allowed. An old version of the standard allowed the space, and GNU's coreutils seem to have carried on the tradition, so I'm not alone in thinking this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blackshirt@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago (5 children) OP's graph uses slashes. Dashes would remove all the confusion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago* (4 children) No because it's the global format that typically uses periods. D.M.Y (normal) Y-M-D (superior) M/D/Y (mental illness) Mixing up the formats and denominators makes this mess even worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago (3 children) you should also always specify YYYY-MM-DD because often M and D ignores leading zeros, YY means the 2 digit suffix, and Y… well, i don’t even know what that is but i’m sure it’s something less specific than YYYY if we’re going to be picky about being clear about things, let’s be truly clear about things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) YYYYY would be something like "The Year of Our Lord, Two-Thousand and Twenty-Six" (or probably just "Twenty Twenty-Six", but the other is more ridiculous so I'll go with that) Y would just be "6" but I can't think of any context where that would ever be used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago i reckon Y might be something like years since 1970 or some other epoch (we do things like week number of the year, day number of the year, etc so i think that’s kinda similar) permalink fedilink source parent [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago Yep, I do it in every format. Just kept it short for readability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LaggyKar@programming.dev 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) The dates below the graph permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mcv@lemmy.zip -3 points 3 days ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago Pretty much only in the US. permalink fedilink source parent [+] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org -12 points 3 days ago Some BS AI "visionaries" keep blurting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (3 children) The weird US American Date scheme is not used in most of the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) I wish. Am European. I know one person that voluntarily uses their date and time formats. For reasons I will never comprehend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 child) He or she must enjoy the endless confusion and friction in the interaction with others. That said, some idiotic IT systems use the US format to. Causes a lot of problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago* I'm in the US and have had problems with C-level douches misreading dd-mm-yyyy dates in some system we had that logged in that format and freaking out (and also missing that the log time stamps were in UTC-0, causing further confusion/freakout) Anyway, this is part of why I always use yyyy-mm-dd, because nobody will confuse that date string for any other date, and everyone who can understand dates at all will be able to read it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) I wish. Am European. I know one person that voluntarily uses their date and time formats. For reasons I will never comprehend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 child) He or she must enjoy the endless confusion and friction in the interaction with others. That said, some idiotic IT systems use the US format to. Causes a lot of problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago* I'm in the US and have had problems with C-level douches misreading dd-mm-yyyy dates in some system we had that logged in that format and freaking out (and also missing that the log time stamps were in UTC-0, causing further confusion/freakout) Anyway, this is part of why I always use yyyy-mm-dd, because nobody will confuse that date string for any other date, and everyone who can understand dates at all will be able to read it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 child) He or she must enjoy the endless confusion and friction in the interaction with others. That said, some idiotic IT systems use the US format to. Causes a lot of problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago* I'm in the US and have had problems with C-level douches misreading dd-mm-yyyy dates in some system we had that logged in that format and freaking out (and also missing that the log time stamps were in UTC-0, causing further confusion/freakout) Anyway, this is part of why I always use yyyy-mm-dd, because nobody will confuse that date string for any other date, and everyone who can understand dates at all will be able to read it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago* I'm in the US and have had problems with C-level douches misreading dd-mm-yyyy dates in some system we had that logged in that format and freaking out (and also missing that the log time stamps were in UTC-0, causing further confusion/freakout) Anyway, this is part of why I always use yyyy-mm-dd, because nobody will confuse that date string for any other date, and everyone who can understand dates at all will be able to read it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blackshirt@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (21 children) D/M/Y > M/D/Y permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (2 children) There is only YYYYMMDD permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 9 points 3 days ago (1 child) sadly for everyone that’s factually incorrect, but the phrase DD/MM/YYYY > MM/DD/YYYY does not preclude YYYYMMDD > DD/MM/YYYY > MM/DD/YYYY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago your pedantery is apreciated. permalink fedilink source parent [–] epyon22@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (17 children) Because one lives the other should not long live Y-M-D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children) NO. You need a character per digit and you always want the leading 0 shown. YYYY-MM-DD permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (7 children) At least it makes my folders really easy to sort through... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (6 children) Only if you leave the leading zeros! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago (5 children) …or your file manager is smart enough to do numeric sorting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) you should never make the assumption that software you use is smart, or even not complete garbage …and file managers aren’t the only things that display lists of files. low-level tooling should not be “smart” beyond the most basic sorting without specifically being told first permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago Then there's the problem with "smart" sorting like Windows Explorer does: in a folder with hex based naming, such as the gpo policy folders for an AD domain, it blends alphabetic and numeric in weird ways where it treats number strings as whole numbers in the middle, where a123e would show up after a19bc, as an example, even though it should sort first (Sorry, tangent) permalink fedilink source parent [–] arty@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago I only objected to the use of “only” in the comment above. I’d like to object to "never" as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) ...And you assume you will only ever look at those files with that file manager forever... There is no downside to writing the leading zeroes pretty much anywhere except when aesthetics matter (event flyers, etc) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago I am a big fan of ISO8601, and I only objected to your use of "only" in the comment above. permalink fedilink source parent [–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (1 child) ISO 8601 is the only correct way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] palordrolap@fedia.io 3 points 3 days ago It's close, sure, but actually no. That standard currently requires the letter T (and no white-space) between date and time when both are present, and, frankly, that's ugly and a space should be allowed. An old version of the standard allowed the space, and GNU's coreutils seem to have carried on the tradition, so I'm not alone in thinking this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blackshirt@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago (5 children) OP's graph uses slashes. Dashes would remove all the confusion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago* (4 children) No because it's the global format that typically uses periods. D.M.Y (normal) Y-M-D (superior) M/D/Y (mental illness) Mixing up the formats and denominators makes this mess even worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago (3 children) you should also always specify YYYY-MM-DD because often M and D ignores leading zeros, YY means the 2 digit suffix, and Y… well, i don’t even know what that is but i’m sure it’s something less specific than YYYY if we’re going to be picky about being clear about things, let’s be truly clear about things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) YYYYY would be something like "The Year of Our Lord, Two-Thousand and Twenty-Six" (or probably just "Twenty Twenty-Six", but the other is more ridiculous so I'll go with that) Y would just be "6" but I can't think of any context where that would ever be used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago i reckon Y might be something like years since 1970 or some other epoch (we do things like week number of the year, day number of the year, etc so i think that’s kinda similar) permalink fedilink source parent [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago Yep, I do it in every format. Just kept it short for readability. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (2 children) There is only YYYYMMDD permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 9 points 3 days ago (1 child) sadly for everyone that’s factually incorrect, but the phrase DD/MM/YYYY > MM/DD/YYYY does not preclude YYYYMMDD > DD/MM/YYYY > MM/DD/YYYY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago your pedantery is apreciated. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 9 points 3 days ago (1 child) sadly for everyone that’s factually incorrect, but the phrase DD/MM/YYYY > MM/DD/YYYY does not preclude YYYYMMDD > DD/MM/YYYY > MM/DD/YYYY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago your pedantery is apreciated. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago your pedantery is apreciated. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] epyon22@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (17 children) Because one lives the other should not long live Y-M-D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children) NO. You need a character per digit and you always want the leading 0 shown. YYYY-MM-DD permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (7 children) At least it makes my folders really easy to sort through... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (6 children) Only if you leave the leading zeros! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago (5 children) …or your file manager is smart enough to do numeric sorting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) you should never make the assumption that software you use is smart, or even not complete garbage …and file managers aren’t the only things that display lists of files. low-level tooling should not be “smart” beyond the most basic sorting without specifically being told first permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago Then there's the problem with "smart" sorting like Windows Explorer does: in a folder with hex based naming, such as the gpo policy folders for an AD domain, it blends alphabetic and numeric in weird ways where it treats number strings as whole numbers in the middle, where a123e would show up after a19bc, as an example, even though it should sort first (Sorry, tangent) permalink fedilink source parent [–] arty@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago I only objected to the use of “only” in the comment above. I’d like to object to "never" as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) ...And you assume you will only ever look at those files with that file manager forever... There is no downside to writing the leading zeroes pretty much anywhere except when aesthetics matter (event flyers, etc) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago I am a big fan of ISO8601, and I only objected to your use of "only" in the comment above. permalink fedilink source parent [–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (1 child) ISO 8601 is the only correct way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] palordrolap@fedia.io 3 points 3 days ago It's close, sure, but actually no. That standard currently requires the letter T (and no white-space) between date and time when both are present, and, frankly, that's ugly and a space should be allowed. An old version of the standard allowed the space, and GNU's coreutils seem to have carried on the tradition, so I'm not alone in thinking this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blackshirt@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago (5 children) OP's graph uses slashes. Dashes would remove all the confusion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago* (4 children) No because it's the global format that typically uses periods. D.M.Y (normal) Y-M-D (superior) M/D/Y (mental illness) Mixing up the formats and denominators makes this mess even worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago (3 children) you should also always specify YYYY-MM-DD because often M and D ignores leading zeros, YY means the 2 digit suffix, and Y… well, i don’t even know what that is but i’m sure it’s something less specific than YYYY if we’re going to be picky about being clear about things, let’s be truly clear about things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) YYYYY would be something like "The Year of Our Lord, Two-Thousand and Twenty-Six" (or probably just "Twenty Twenty-Six", but the other is more ridiculous so I'll go with that) Y would just be "6" but I can't think of any context where that would ever be used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago i reckon Y might be something like years since 1970 or some other epoch (we do things like week number of the year, day number of the year, etc so i think that’s kinda similar) permalink fedilink source parent [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago Yep, I do it in every format. Just kept it short for readability. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children) NO. You need a character per digit and you always want the leading 0 shown. YYYY-MM-DD permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (7 children) At least it makes my folders really easy to sort through... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (6 children) Only if you leave the leading zeros! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago (5 children) …or your file manager is smart enough to do numeric sorting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) you should never make the assumption that software you use is smart, or even not complete garbage …and file managers aren’t the only things that display lists of files. low-level tooling should not be “smart” beyond the most basic sorting without specifically being told first permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago Then there's the problem with "smart" sorting like Windows Explorer does: in a folder with hex based naming, such as the gpo policy folders for an AD domain, it blends alphabetic and numeric in weird ways where it treats number strings as whole numbers in the middle, where a123e would show up after a19bc, as an example, even though it should sort first (Sorry, tangent) permalink fedilink source parent [–] arty@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago I only objected to the use of “only” in the comment above. I’d like to object to "never" as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) ...And you assume you will only ever look at those files with that file manager forever... There is no downside to writing the leading zeroes pretty much anywhere except when aesthetics matter (event flyers, etc) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago I am a big fan of ISO8601, and I only objected to your use of "only" in the comment above. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (7 children) At least it makes my folders really easy to sort through... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (6 children) Only if you leave the leading zeros! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago (5 children) …or your file manager is smart enough to do numeric sorting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) you should never make the assumption that software you use is smart, or even not complete garbage …and file managers aren’t the only things that display lists of files. low-level tooling should not be “smart” beyond the most basic sorting without specifically being told first permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago Then there's the problem with "smart" sorting like Windows Explorer does: in a folder with hex based naming, such as the gpo policy folders for an AD domain, it blends alphabetic and numeric in weird ways where it treats number strings as whole numbers in the middle, where a123e would show up after a19bc, as an example, even though it should sort first (Sorry, tangent) permalink fedilink source parent [–] arty@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago I only objected to the use of “only” in the comment above. I’d like to object to "never" as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) ...And you assume you will only ever look at those files with that file manager forever... There is no downside to writing the leading zeroes pretty much anywhere except when aesthetics matter (event flyers, etc) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago I am a big fan of ISO8601, and I only objected to your use of "only" in the comment above. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (6 children) Only if you leave the leading zeros! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago (5 children) …or your file manager is smart enough to do numeric sorting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) you should never make the assumption that software you use is smart, or even not complete garbage …and file managers aren’t the only things that display lists of files. low-level tooling should not be “smart” beyond the most basic sorting without specifically being told first permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago Then there's the problem with "smart" sorting like Windows Explorer does: in a folder with hex based naming, such as the gpo policy folders for an AD domain, it blends alphabetic and numeric in weird ways where it treats number strings as whole numbers in the middle, where a123e would show up after a19bc, as an example, even though it should sort first (Sorry, tangent) permalink fedilink source parent [–] arty@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago I only objected to the use of “only” in the comment above. I’d like to object to "never" as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) ...And you assume you will only ever look at those files with that file manager forever... There is no downside to writing the leading zeroes pretty much anywhere except when aesthetics matter (event flyers, etc) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago I am a big fan of ISO8601, and I only objected to your use of "only" in the comment above. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago (5 children) …or your file manager is smart enough to do numeric sorting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) you should never make the assumption that software you use is smart, or even not complete garbage …and file managers aren’t the only things that display lists of files. low-level tooling should not be “smart” beyond the most basic sorting without specifically being told first permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago Then there's the problem with "smart" sorting like Windows Explorer does: in a folder with hex based naming, such as the gpo policy folders for an AD domain, it blends alphabetic and numeric in weird ways where it treats number strings as whole numbers in the middle, where a123e would show up after a19bc, as an example, even though it should sort first (Sorry, tangent) permalink fedilink source parent [–] arty@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago I only objected to the use of “only” in the comment above. I’d like to object to "never" as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) ...And you assume you will only ever look at those files with that file manager forever... There is no downside to writing the leading zeroes pretty much anywhere except when aesthetics matter (event flyers, etc) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago I am a big fan of ISO8601, and I only objected to your use of "only" in the comment above. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) you should never make the assumption that software you use is smart, or even not complete garbage …and file managers aren’t the only things that display lists of files. low-level tooling should not be “smart” beyond the most basic sorting without specifically being told first permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago Then there's the problem with "smart" sorting like Windows Explorer does: in a folder with hex based naming, such as the gpo policy folders for an AD domain, it blends alphabetic and numeric in weird ways where it treats number strings as whole numbers in the middle, where a123e would show up after a19bc, as an example, even though it should sort first (Sorry, tangent) permalink fedilink source parent [–] arty@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago I only objected to the use of “only” in the comment above. I’d like to object to "never" as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago Then there's the problem with "smart" sorting like Windows Explorer does: in a folder with hex based naming, such as the gpo policy folders for an AD domain, it blends alphabetic and numeric in weird ways where it treats number strings as whole numbers in the middle, where a123e would show up after a19bc, as an example, even though it should sort first (Sorry, tangent) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arty@feddit.org 1 point 3 days ago I only objected to the use of “only” in the comment above. I’d like to object to "never" as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) ...And you assume you will only ever look at those files with that file manager forever... There is no downside to writing the leading zeroes pretty much anywhere except when aesthetics matter (event flyers, etc) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago I am a big fan of ISO8601, and I only objected to your use of "only" in the comment above. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arty@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago I am a big fan of ISO8601, and I only objected to your use of "only" in the comment above. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (1 child) ISO 8601 is the only correct way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] palordrolap@fedia.io 3 points 3 days ago It's close, sure, but actually no. That standard currently requires the letter T (and no white-space) between date and time when both are present, and, frankly, that's ugly and a space should be allowed. An old version of the standard allowed the space, and GNU's coreutils seem to have carried on the tradition, so I'm not alone in thinking this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 3 points 3 days ago It's close, sure, but actually no. That standard currently requires the letter T (and no white-space) between date and time when both are present, and, frankly, that's ugly and a space should be allowed. An old version of the standard allowed the space, and GNU's coreutils seem to have carried on the tradition, so I'm not alone in thinking this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blackshirt@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago (5 children) OP's graph uses slashes. Dashes would remove all the confusion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago* (4 children) No because it's the global format that typically uses periods. D.M.Y (normal) Y-M-D (superior) M/D/Y (mental illness) Mixing up the formats and denominators makes this mess even worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago (3 children) you should also always specify YYYY-MM-DD because often M and D ignores leading zeros, YY means the 2 digit suffix, and Y… well, i don’t even know what that is but i’m sure it’s something less specific than YYYY if we’re going to be picky about being clear about things, let’s be truly clear about things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) YYYYY would be something like "The Year of Our Lord, Two-Thousand and Twenty-Six" (or probably just "Twenty Twenty-Six", but the other is more ridiculous so I'll go with that) Y would just be "6" but I can't think of any context where that would ever be used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago i reckon Y might be something like years since 1970 or some other epoch (we do things like week number of the year, day number of the year, etc so i think that’s kinda similar) permalink fedilink source parent [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago Yep, I do it in every format. Just kept it short for readability. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago* (4 children) No because it's the global format that typically uses periods. D.M.Y (normal) Y-M-D (superior) M/D/Y (mental illness) Mixing up the formats and denominators makes this mess even worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago (3 children) you should also always specify YYYY-MM-DD because often M and D ignores leading zeros, YY means the 2 digit suffix, and Y… well, i don’t even know what that is but i’m sure it’s something less specific than YYYY if we’re going to be picky about being clear about things, let’s be truly clear about things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) YYYYY would be something like "The Year of Our Lord, Two-Thousand and Twenty-Six" (or probably just "Twenty Twenty-Six", but the other is more ridiculous so I'll go with that) Y would just be "6" but I can't think of any context where that would ever be used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago i reckon Y might be something like years since 1970 or some other epoch (we do things like week number of the year, day number of the year, etc so i think that’s kinda similar) permalink fedilink source parent [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago Yep, I do it in every format. Just kept it short for readability. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago (3 children) you should also always specify YYYY-MM-DD because often M and D ignores leading zeros, YY means the 2 digit suffix, and Y… well, i don’t even know what that is but i’m sure it’s something less specific than YYYY if we’re going to be picky about being clear about things, let’s be truly clear about things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) YYYYY would be something like "The Year of Our Lord, Two-Thousand and Twenty-Six" (or probably just "Twenty Twenty-Six", but the other is more ridiculous so I'll go with that) Y would just be "6" but I can't think of any context where that would ever be used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago i reckon Y might be something like years since 1970 or some other epoch (we do things like week number of the year, day number of the year, etc so i think that’s kinda similar) permalink fedilink source parent [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago Yep, I do it in every format. Just kept it short for readability. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) YYYYY would be something like "The Year of Our Lord, Two-Thousand and Twenty-Six" (or probably just "Twenty Twenty-Six", but the other is more ridiculous so I'll go with that) Y would just be "6" but I can't think of any context where that would ever be used permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago i reckon Y might be something like years since 1970 or some other epoch (we do things like week number of the year, day number of the year, etc so i think that’s kinda similar) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago i reckon Y might be something like years since 1970 or some other epoch (we do things like week number of the year, day number of the year, etc so i think that’s kinda similar) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago Yep, I do it in every format. Just kept it short for readability. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LaggyKar@programming.dev 5 points 3 days ago (2 children) The dates below the graph permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mcv@lemmy.zip -3 points 3 days ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago Pretty much only in the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mcv@lemmy.zip -3 points 3 days ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago Pretty much only in the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago Pretty much only in the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org -12 points 3 days ago Some BS AI "visionaries" keep blurting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuantumEraser@fedia.io [S] 2 points 3 days ago Yeah sorry about that, was the default format in my spreadsheet software and I didn't think to change it permalink fedilink source parent