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So the Hasan Piker/DSA strategy is to use Zohran Mamdani to push Jessica Tisch to the left lmfaooo (thelemmy.club)
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quote tweto https://x.com/SocialistMMA/status/2110008484573905254

Hasan Piker on Mayor Zohran Mamdani and how Mamdani can leverage his popularity and outside forces like the DSA to potentially encourage Jessica Tisch to condemn the presence of ICE in New York City: "If Zohran Mamdani is a competent administrator, if he's a competent executive, he utilizes the unbelievable amounts of pressure coming from the outside to carve out a specific deal with Jessica Tisch, if he's not going to drop, which he probably isn't. If he was smart, he would use the outside forces, including the DSA, to his advantage to say, 'Look, I'm getting a lot of pressure. Your popularity is waning so you have to at least play ball with me here. You have to contest ICE activity. You can't actually defend ICE.'”
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[–] 43 points 11 hours ago* (18 children)

This is incorrect. Three days ago DSA released a statement demanding Zohran fire Tisch: https://www.instagram.com/p/DeVn1JejqHg/?img_index=5&dlrf=MXA2cDR4bjZod2FoNg%3D%3D

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  • [–] 29 points 8 hours ago (11 children)

    Regardless of how correct OP is I don't think it's a good sign the DSA has to release a public statement instead of just telling him to do it.

    I've been saying since the start they wouldn't have any actual leverage over him if he pulled an AOC. Shit, I asked someone in the NYDSA once what their plan was if he cut and ran and all they had to say was "oh well he's really one of us".

    If this is their idea of leverage, and they can't just pull him to the side and say "clean it up", then he's a dog off a leash as far as I'm concerned. Even if he ends up firing her, why is the DSA releasing public statements and not just telling him to do this outright?

    You don't go public against one of your own people like that.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 hours ago

    I've been saying since the start they wouldn't have any actual leverage over him if he pulled an AOC. Shit, I asked someone in the NYDSA once what their plan was if he cut and ran and all they had to say was "oh well he's really one of us".

    I'm so grateful the dems rat fucked Hong out the WI gov primary. It was really the best outcome. Electoralists get their recruitment opportunity and then all those new recruits get mass disillusionemnet with the democratic party.

    Hong definitely wasn't "one of us" like Zohran was and we had absolutely no power to force her to do shit at a state level nor would she have any ability to do shit in office.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 hours ago (7 children)

    You don't go public against one of your own people like that.

    You do. Even under socialism you do. Class struggle continues under socialist construction, and we aren't even at socialist construction.

    That said, I agree with your over all point: not a good sign!

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  • [–] 12 points 7 hours ago* (5 children)

    Isn’t the whole point of democratic centralism that these issues are handled internally?

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  • [–] 12 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    DSA isn't an explicitly ML party, they have ML factions but the org doesn't practice demcent as a whole

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  • [–] 10 points 6 hours ago

    Yea I know, I intended to comment on whether it’s good or bad practice and the fact that democratic centralism is intended to prevent that made me think it’s bad practice. Although I understand it’s more nuanced and is necessary in some cases. My thoughts on DSA’s organisational structure is not very positive

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  • [–] 19 points 7 hours ago* (1 child)

    We both know that DSA isn't demcent; it needs more centralization to really develop its demcoracy, but it needs to avoid the errors of bureaucratic centralism too. A big part of the problem with DSA is big chapters like NYC and LA don't want to be democratic; they want to bureaucratically decide things and get rubber stamps from membership.

    There's also advantages to handling some disagreements publicly: it renders line struggle visible to the masses.

    Finally, as I alluded to above, some MLs like Mao have definitely been okay not just handling stuff internally.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

    Isn't this moot though? Say they expelled him from the DSA over this, he just becomes another "progressive dem" right? The larger public wouldn't even know they dropped him, would they? I just don't see how the DSA has real leverage here. He earned his clout by using them and now he has the Democratic machine to prop him up.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 hours ago*

    This is part of problem with running for executive when you don't have the power to both support your electeds against your enemies.

    That said I think this is untested, maybe NYC DSA could successfully support him against the NYC establishment and the police, but they are too focused on economism. Politics needs to be in command.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

    Ok but party discipline is authoritarian

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