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[–] 6 points 22 hours ago (10 children)

I don't own a car that old, but actually, you might be shocked by how well they hold up. People immediately think electric car batteries decay like cell phone batteries, but most electric car owners don't regularly abuse the battery in the same way that cell phone users do, largely because the batteries are expected to last for over a decade and not just be replaced in two years.

These habits include:

  • Rarely charging the battery past 80%, except for newer batteries that use a lithium ferrophosphate chemistry
  • Not depleting the battery below 20% charge.
  • Charging the battery slowly. Most cell phone chargers will fully charge the phone in two hours. Typical electric cars are charged at a rate that would take 12 to 16 hours, but overnight is enough for most people since they're only charging from 20% to 80%.
  • Not exposing the battery to extreme cold or heat. The car will automatically apply A/C to the battery cells to keep them the optimal temperature.
  • Warming up the battery to 20 degrees before charging.

The standard warranty length on an electric car's battery is eight years. If the battery loses more than 30% capacity in eight years, that's consider a defect, and they'll give you a new battery.

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  • [–] 4 points 21 hours ago (8 children)

    Yeah but they asked about first gen Nissan Leafs which, yeah, none of those batteries are holding any type of up unless you regularly drive less than 30 miles day.

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  • [–] 1 point 14 hours ago (6 children)

    Last time I checked the majority of people travel under 5 miles for most car trips.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

    Commute alone is about triple each way on average. US census has the data published. It makes sense when you consider an average car owner in the US and how big it is and how many people don't regularly use cars in densely populated major cities.

    Between this comment and someone saying that tarantulas are as smart as a smart dog, I sometimes almost forget how completely out of touch with reality a lot of people here are.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago

    Each trip or each day? Average commute is 30 miles a day.

    But no need to really debate it, the first gen Nissan Leaf design is notorious for being pretty harsh on the battery pack, compared to most other prominent electric models that tend to do better than most. I think it should be fine to admit that some models might not have the staying power one would have hoped. Just like sometimes happens in gasoline models.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago* (1 child)

    Look, I'm not saying a first Gen leaf would not meet 95% of my needs and I'm not saying that I would not buy one if you could just convince my partner but I doubt the majority of Americans travel less than five miles for car trips.

    It's disingenuous to say "EV batteries actually hold up fine!" and then follow it up with "Well, you don't drive that much anyway," when presented with evidence otherwise. I know you're not the OP of the other comment, but c'mon, this is a linear chain of thought.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 minutes ago

    Tbh I don't even drive, growing up I couldn't afford it. I don't even know anyone who drives more than 16km a day which is the same distance I cycle to work - I do know a couple who drive the same distance I cycle, I get there faster as I can go faster than traffic jams.

    Its probably somewhat location dependent, that stat is from the UK.

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  • [–] 3 points 20 hours ago

    Yeah they didn’t have thermal management like the rest of the full sized EVs. Even the second gen leafs have iffy ranges and charging speeds. They kinda set EVs back a bit for a lot of early adopters I know.

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