Where's the lie ? (thelemmy.club)
submitted 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) by to c/catholicism@lemmy.ml
 

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My answer is that christians weren't in control of the government, otherwise it wouldn't have happened.
However, the immediate counter-argument will point out that power corrupts, even the Church was at some time in its 20 centuries-long history corrupted by the powerful/wealthy, who couldn't care less about meekness, poverty, ...
Now they don't even have a territory left, nor schools or any kind of power. Christian families aren't even allowed to teach their children outside government schools in France. State workers aren't allowed to wear visible religious signs. Etc...

No need to develop, it's just the same usual opposition between a "liberation theology" and a "prosperity gospel", between a focus on the obviousness/message/urgency/future and a focus on the faith/identity/tradition/past.
The far-right clearly does not care about helping those outside our tribe/group, such as ethnic/religious minorities, the poor, foreigners, homeless, marginalized/vulnerable, ... If we had been polytheists for the last thousands of years, then they wouldn't be the kind of people to convert to christianism. They'd laugh at the past importance of a "gentle man", only idealists&losers aren't machiavelians they say, what's one more lie if Hell doesn't exist.
They're in my group though, like non-humans, i still believe as i did back then that it's a matter of finding the right words, of listening to their answers, ...
One day they will be forced to confront better alternatives to the present, the kind in which the whole benefits instead of them, and i will see them unable to spin the arguments in their favor. I live for that day, and i will help in making it happen, one day.

Anyway, nothing new, just one more useless post telling things that everyone agrees with, and without receiving a counter-argument since i'm posting in an echo chamber. It's pointless but whatever

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[–] 4 points 6 hours ago* (4 children)

Western society is less religious than ever, yet it's more murderous than ever. Obama wasn't bombing countries because of religion but "self-defense" the favorite Casus Beli for any imperialist force.

Blaming religions for Capitalist imperialism is a Liberal cop-out to not have to face the root cause.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago) (3 children)

    Your reply doesn't really make sense.

    Abrahamic faiths are death cults. That's an independent and true statement.

    Technology has increased capacity to murder at scale--that's independent of an empire's 'religiosity'. Your post suggests that if the Western empire was more devote to a religion it would be less murderous. I don't think that makes any sense at all, especially when the most angry and confused in Western politics come directly from the Churches.

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  • [–] 2 points 58 minutes ago (1 child)

    No, their point isn't that religion makes you less murderous, but that whether you're religious or not plays less into how much murder you commit, compared to factors grounded in material reality, such as the mode of production, the competition for resources, geopolitics, etc.

    The Japanese fascists didn't go around enslaving, genociding and so on because of religion, and they were certainly not Abrahamic. And you also had slavery in Europe way before Christians showed up, but you'd be a fool if you blamed Roman and Greek slavery on their polytheism.

    Religion is an important factor when analyzing a society, for sure, but it's not the main driver of history, it never was, it never will be, and there's a good chance it will simply wither away under socialism, assuming the government isn't wildly reactionary against religious people and so on.

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  • [–] 2 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago)

    None of this makes sense. There's one message that states abrahmic religions are death cults. That's true. The reply isn't even a tangent, but responds to something that isn't even in the message.

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