Where's the lie ? (thelemmy.club)
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My answer is that christians weren't in control of the government, otherwise it wouldn't have happened.
However, the immediate counter-argument will point out that power corrupts, even the Church was at some time in its 20 centuries-long history corrupted by the powerful/wealthy, who couldn't care less about meekness, poverty, ...
Now they don't even have a territory left, nor schools or any kind of power. Christian families aren't even allowed to teach their children outside government schools in France. State workers aren't allowed to wear visible religious signs. Etc...

No need to develop, it's just the same usual opposition between a "liberation theology" and a "prosperity gospel", between a focus on the obviousness/message/urgency/future and a focus on the faith/identity/tradition/past.
The far-right clearly does not care about helping those outside our tribe/group, such as ethnic/religious minorities, the poor, foreigners, homeless, marginalized/vulnerable, ... If we had been polytheists for the last thousands of years, then they wouldn't be the kind of people to convert to christianism. They'd laugh at the past importance of a "gentle man", only idealists&losers aren't machiavelians they say, what's one more lie if Hell doesn't exist.
They're in my group though, like non-humans, i still believe as i did back then that it's a matter of finding the right words, of listening to their answers, ...
One day they will be forced to confront better alternatives to the present, the kind in which the whole benefits instead of them, and i will see them unable to spin the arguments in their favor. I live for that day, and i will help in making it happen, one day.

Anyway, nothing new, just one more useless post telling things that everyone agrees with, and without receiving a counter-argument since i'm posting in an echo chamber. It's pointless but whatever

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[–] 1 point 6 hours ago* (3 children)

You don't have to adhere to a belief system to understand it. I was raised on the bible. If my parents hadn't violently brainwashed me, I never would have bought into it.

Yahweh is a death god who condones rape, slavery, and genocide. His version of "love" is "obey or die". Belief in a happy afterlife devalues our real earthly lives and incentivizes death.

It's present all throughout the old testament, new testament, and the quran.

The abrahamic faiths are death cults.

the Gospels are on the contrary a life cult, and my sources could be numerous, if it counts to quote them

Oops, you left out all the abusive parts, where Jesus talks about throwing people into an eternal punishment if you don't submit. How "loving".

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 child)


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    The new testament is a succession of parables, meant to be thought upon, and Hell is the kind of mysteries from a few sentences(, taken literally,) that shouldn't be enough to hide from you what's repeated more clearly, you can consider that those who refuse to be/do good will make Earth a Hell anyway, that this is not how you make the kingdom of God comes onto Earth. That we should seek the water of life and not the fire. (Ironic(?) that atheists believing instead in a simulation, will then still believe in an afterlife)
    If Hell exists, then i know i already have my place there, but i don't need to believe in it, because in any case we should all try to lower the weight of our sins, confessions were a remarkable idea/tradition.

    It could end up being a long discussion, but in short i don't think i need to convince you that religions are virtuous, i just hope that you'll be more virtuous than these religious people, you could prove to them what "being as virtuous as humanely possible" means.
    Religions aren't necessary for this goal, they're "just" useful, so may God's kingdom/city come.

    (Also, if you define God as something that exists, then God exists. E.g., the Greatest exists, the '~Beginning'/Present/~End, and/or Idea(l)s included in the Greatest(, is the Greatest the Maximum/Perfection or the All ?)
    An external entity influencing our reality wouldn't necessarily be (as great as )God, so it seems like a weaker definition. Perhaps our subconscious can't produce worthy ideas without aiming for the living God in/'all around' us ; if the divine created, then what about H..er.is creation, is it '(partly? )divine'/'a part of God', or not(, because no imperfections could be in H..er.is part) ? Just to say that theologians debated rationally about real things.
    The Bible says that God is what Is.
    The thing is that we{humans} do not know much about the nature of our reality, let's start by this first step before hoping to conceive God at the top of the mountain, but the Greatest is)

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