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[–] 145 points 17 hours ago (29 children)

Blaming older generations instead of the powerful and wealthy is dumb and counterproductive.

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  • [–] 18 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

    Ya, my grandma never had a private jet or a megayacht. Not sure how her 300sq ft bungalow she lived in for 40 years and tending a community garden plot led to the environmental and socioeconomical issues we face now.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    But they did elect the politicians who caused the damage. A majority, anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    And Americans did elect trump who is ruining the world. The majority of people are voting with their money day by day to make billionaires more rich, and our only home more and more unhabitable even now. Nothing new, same old shit, same patterns.

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  • [–] 125 points 17 hours ago (14 children)

    The older generation ceded our power to the wealthy. They went gleefully along with tax policy designed to move money to the top, anti union legislation, increasing costs of education, stymieing environmental regulation, not pursuing and enforcing trust busting measures, offshoring industry, etc , etc. They weren't the driving force, you could claim they were tricked, but it was their own short sighted greed and often bigotry that allowed them to go along with it. And they by and large continue to support all that same shit.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 hours ago* (2 children)

    Older generations also elected FDR four times and created the only social safety nets we have, created the EPA, eliminated smog, cleaned up our rivers, created the endangered species list, etc.

    I'm getting really sick of how easily some of you fall for these obvious divide and conquer tactics. Wake the fuck up and actually think critically for once. Climate change is far more of a class issue than generational one.

    Conservatives blame immigrants and minorities for their problems, liberals blame old people. People are fooled so fucking easily but I bet you think you're so much smarter than magats.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

    People are fooled so fucking easily but I bet you think you’re so much smarter than magats.

    Dang, I sure hope I never run into one of those types who think they're the smartest person in the room. That sound's insufferable.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    And Gen-Z helped elect Trump in 2024.

    Saying that problems are because if a certain group of people is just dumb analysis. It is always about broader systems of power. Capitalism has it's ways to bend democracy to it's will.

    The ruling class wants you to blame the elderly for the problems in the world. Because then you aren't focused on the real issues.

    If we really wanna fix problems instead of fighting each other, we need to really stop bigotry in all it's forms and start becoming class conscious.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    So by your nonsensical logic the current young generation is at fault for ceding more power than have been ceded in a long time to fascist oligarchs in the US.

    It is plain bullshit nonsense. And you have gobbled up all of the ageism propaganda created by the oligarch propagandeers to make you completely forget the actual issue of class war.

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  • [–] 16 points 16 hours ago* (5 children)

    The older generation ceded our power to the wealthy.

    Did they actually? Or are you just saying that?

    it was their own short sighted greed and often bigotry that allowed them to go along with it

    Did we take any kind of vote on our actual energy policy? Did we collectively decide to build highways over railways or big trucks over dense housing blocks at some point?

    Who decided to tear up the streetcars?

    The Americans who believe their democracy is real are as bad as the ones who believe climate change is fake.

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  • [–] 10 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

    Oh, okay- so you’re just cowards who spent half a century allowing it because you didn’t want to risk your relative comfort.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 hours ago*

    you didn’t want to risk your relative comfort

    I'm still not sure who this "you" is.

    Who do you think invented the Solar Panel? Who has been the most rapid adopters? Who built the wind farms? Who did the research that tells us Climate Change is even happening?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    Literally the same thing the next two generations are still doing?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    Did I suggest they were any better?

    I mean… they’re not. But fuck you for that disingenuous little sleight of hand where “they didn’t fight fascism hard enough” somehow becomes equivalent to “we voted for the fascists,” and also fuck you for making me defend their cowardly asses.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago*

    The generation wars are bullshit.

    But we cant deny one generation has moved america to where it is and they still refuse to admit theyre in the driver's seat, are too drunk to drive, and insist only they can do it

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  • [–] 48 points 17 hours ago* (1 child)

    Generational war is a way to distract from class war, and a way to disconnect people from being inspired by the long HISTORY of class struggle.

    The 8 hour day? Unions? The wellfare system (such as it is), maybe Grandma was on the picket lines for some of that too? Especially likely if she was poor.

    There are labour activists and socialists in every generation.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago

    I'm not enjoying being in the first generation to be poorer than my parents'. This is not a distraction; it's a big fucking deal.

    My parents, personally, have not really contributed to the problem. They vote sensibly, they have been climate conscious (especially my dad) for wayy longer than most people. But those are individual stories amongst the overall picture.

    On the wider point, being on the picket lines fighting for workers' rights doesn't have much bearing on whether you then voted to take money out of the public services your parents created, which you benefited from, so that you could enrich yourself personally.

    I think you might have a slight fuzziness in your history here, too. The labour movement, at least in my country, reached its peak in the first decades of the 20th century. Boomers were born around the 50s, reaching adulthood around the 70s. We already had a minimum wage, 8 hour days, weekends, paid holiday, sick leave, etcetera. We already had a welfare system. Around this time, the "post-war economic consensus" was being dismantled, and public services were being sold off to private investors. If we're just looking at the resolution of generations, the prototypical grandma wasn't doing the things you're talking about - they were done by her mother or grandma or others.

    Again, this is a broad brush with room for variation within generations. But there's a section of the online left that wants to remove all responsibility for anything, especially climate change, from ordinary people. As if we can but do the bidding of billionaires. But if a population votes for climate change, or votes to dismantle public services, they deserve the blame.

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  • [–] 19 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    Environmentalists from the prior generations aren't real. Nobody has ever done anything about climate change ever before and they're not doing anything now and they never will.

    That's why the best way to fight climate change is to divide into generational cohorts and scream "Your Fault!" at everyone older.

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