I (23M) had an abusive upbringing. In early childhood, my father beat me and told me I was weak when I cried out in pain and begged for mercy. Since then, I learned that I was unlovable because I expressed vulnerability and neediness instead of silently enduring the pain, and that others would expect me to be strong and take things "like a man."

As I grew up, I got better and better at hiding my pain. But because I so rarely experienced any kind of affection or positive attention, I never learned to hide pleasure.

I compared myself a lot to men in pornography. It seemed like nothing fazed them, even as women did things to them that could make me faint. These men had incredible endurance and could stay in control of themselves as they made manly grunts. I was a failure in comparison.

I do not make manly grunts. I sound like Mickey goddamn Mouse. I unlock 3 new octaves of vocal range and tremble and blush and hyperventilate like crazy. I'm so embarrassed about it. I see videos of men receiving oral and think "Holy shit, HOW is that guy still standing? He's not even shaking!?" And then I think there's no way in hell that women would put up with my effeminate whines if strong guys who can withstand a woman's attention with little more than a few grunts are everywhere.

I came up with all these sexist lies about women to reassure myself that there was no risk of being touched by them and I was in control. "Porn is just fiction and the actresses lie when they express pleasure or interest; in reality, women don't initiate or reciprocate touch in real life because they're sexually passive and men are the pursuers. Women don't want to touch men because they are wired to receive pleasure, not give it. Also, women have to constantly fear being stalked and harassed by men, so I am doing the right thing by staying as far away from them as possible. Besides, I'm too much of a sensitive crybaby to be attractive to women anyway. So I'm safe. Sure, I live in a touch-starved hellscape, but I'll never have to worry about a woman touching and exploring my body and having naughty thoughts about me, let alone acting on them."

But it's about time I drop the bullshit and be honest.

I'm terrified of being touched by women I'm attracted to because I fear that they would ruthlessly mock me when I inevitably lose my composure and melt into a flustered, needy, giggly, grateful puddle. After all, that's what happened the last time I was openly emotive, way back in childhood when I cried out for mercy. None of my generalizations about women are true, and my avoidance of women doesn't actually make the world better. I am not helping anyone or acting rationally by doing this; I am just avoiding the possibility of being seen when I'm an emotional mess.

I was hoping that no woman would ever sexually desire me because then I would never have to worry about being seen. There were a couple of incidents in school where someone groped me and ran off before I could see who they were, and I automatically assumed at the time that the perpetrator was a guy, because the possibility of them being a girl was far more dangerous to my psyche.

I have these pervasive fantasies that a woman would find my flustered collapse incredibly cute and sexy. Rather than chastising me, she would be really sweet and flirtatious and enjoy sensually melting me at my own pace so as not to overwhelm me. My fear tries to convince me that this outcome isn't possible. But every day, I gain just a little bit more hope that it actually is, and the fear and shame lose just a little bit more power.

I know that Lemmy isn't a substitute for professional help, which is why I have also been going to therapy, but I think it would help a lot if others could tell me what a partner's positive experience of my responses might look like or share how they dealt with similar insecurities and communicated about them with their partner.

What do you think?

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[–] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (7 children)

Edit: I'm going to leave this comment here because it's funny, but after a little exchange I have given him the benefit of the doubt.

What do I really think?

You're fishing for good wank material for some sub/sissy/humiliation kink and you find the whole range of responses from this section more intoxicating due to authenticity of the replies, potential for heated or derisive exchanges, and the thrill of being sneaky about it. As compared to just posting in some nsfw fanfic/roleplay, obviously.

In a few weeks you'll probably ask a related question in a different section.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    This. It’s way too well formatted and clearly written with an agenda

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  • [–] 2 points 19 hours ago

    agenda

    Theory: OP isn't a native english speaker and is going through a translator llm. If he's not real then we're doing a good job providing high signal/noise responses to train a medically/psychologically focused llm in another language.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

    I'll admit that I was a bit heavy on the self-flagellation, but I did so because I wanted to convey the current feelings of self-loathing that I explicitly want to overcome. I think being ashamed of this aspect of myself is a definitive weakness that needs to be worked on, but I don't really know many good places to talk about it.

    Personally, humiliation and femdom content triggers me because I want safety and repair, not re-inflammation of the same wound. I explicitly said that I fantasize about acceptance, not further degradation.

    My intentions really are straightforward here: I want intimacy but get blocked by my insecurities around my responses to touch. The only way to make intimacy possible is for me to unlearn that shame, so that's what I am trying to work on.

    Maybe the post looks suspect because the answer is obvious to everyone else and it only isn't to me because it took years for me to learn basic things like "some people care about my feelings" and "violence isn't a normal response to mildly disagreements with others." So because of our different backgrounds, it looks like I'm asking something so obvious that I must have an ulterior motive, when the answer is much more mundane -- I haven't learned that not everyone is as backwards and abusive as my parents were, and that's the personal shortcoming I'm trying to work on.

    Perhaps the fact that my insecurities look contemptible or suspicious to others is a sign that I shouldn't let them stop me anymore and I should just focus on learning to communicate and build trust with a partner, then go from there.

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  • [–] 7 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

    Alright, I'll bite.

    My young friend, I'll tell you this: it's perfectly fine to be exactly as you are. As long as you're not hurting anyone with your behavior, you are free to express yourself in any way you like. Be who you want to be and how you want that to look like and you'll gain the respect of others and yourself for living with authenticity.

    The ideas and labels and history we have about ourselves, whether we are worthy of love or not, if we're good enough or not, are largely illusionary anyway. They can be very persistent but in the end they are as malleable and ephemeral as any concept. Smoke and mirrors of the mind. You can let these conceptions of yourself lead you through a maze of confusion, twisting this way and that, your whole life, or you can abandon them, climb over the walls of this self constructed maze and be free now.

    I guarantee that no matter what you're into, how you present yourself, there is somebody out there that is into it. Don't worry about what some broad spectrum of people might or might not like about you. Instead, judge each situation as it arises and attend to the specifics of that interaction.

    When you are younger, you have little personal data collected about life to go off of. As a result, a lot of theories about people and the world are based on idealism, stereotypes and cultural biases and generalisms rather than first hand experience. The reality is that things are not these caricatures that are formed by our grasping minds but way more varied and nuanced.

    Sure, there are superficial people in the world, a lot of them, in fact, depending on how their day is going, and you may not be their cup of tea. But over all you'll find that people care way less about you (both in a positive and negative sense) and way more about how you make them feel. All the facts about you are very insubstantial compared to the impact you have on their esteem in your relationships with others.

    One of the best developments in my life came when I stopped trying so hard to be a certain person or present myself in a certain way. It seems like the way to success is to be a certain way. I was afraid if I wasn't manly or tough enough that I wouldn't gain others' respect or it would open me up to being attacked. Like you, I had some real life experiences that reinforced this perception. I have lived through certain situations where weakness absolutely would invite the wrong attention from very monstrous people. It very much was a matter of personal safety to be intimidating and to correct other people's opinions on that if they didn't agree. And later that bled into relationships with others. Our entire world view is shaped by key moments in our upbringing. So I thought I had to be a certain way and spent a large chunk of life not feeling I could be any other way. With guys, as well as being macho, or at least without weakness, when dealing with women, too. It was a waste of a life.

    But the world is not your abusive upbringing, or a prison, or a reality island dating show, or any other artificial environment. It is vast and varied and filled with people who do not make up a monolith, and you can't please or impress them all. Or even the majority. It's much easier to just be you. Accept others as you would like for yourself and don't cast your pearls before swine. It's important to see the world as it is rather than assuming it is because for survivors of abuse their perceptions are often biased very heavily towards negativity. So stay in therapy.

    And one last note about women. While it certainly helps to be... flexible with how you come across with image, and interpersonal vibes, and handling relationships, on the whole most women care way more about you being someone they feel safe with, someone they trust but aren't bored by, than anything else. There are some vague universalities about attraction, but rarely are they absolute or limited to just one thing. For every woman who likes one type of guy, there is another woman that likes something entirely different. And, on the whole, women are way more accepting of variety and their criteria for attraction is different than men's. A lady might be attracted to the manly man neighbor who chats her up while working on his motorcycle and then later her eye turns towards the the gentle warm guy serving her coffee who always has a smile and joke for her.

    What ever role you want to play, there is a woman who will go on that journey with you provided you treat her the way she wants to be treated.

    In short: You are exactly who you need to be right now. You can always improve how you navigate life but the quality of who you are is exactly right, right now. So just be at ease with that fact. You are worthy, good hearted, and a lovable person. Don't ever forget that.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 21 hours ago (1 child)

    Thank you.

    I guess I've just been far too susceptible to the idea that if the people around me make faces or get short with me, it confirms that I am as worthless as my parents made me feel. So I've always been to be afraid to be soft or a little effeminate because it would hurt my fragile self-esteem when some people would punish those traits so harshly in men.

    But just because the people who will love me aren't right in front of me doesn't mean that I'm unlovable. It just means that I need to keep looking.

    I met someone who gushed over how adorable I was once. I was just too afraid to trust her because I never realized that she was seeing right through my paper-thin veneer of masculinity because I just looked so gentle and clumsy to her. I thought at the time that it was just a fluke and I found one of the 0.001% of people who would accept me, but now, I don't think that it was.

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  • [–] 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

    Correct.

    To get closer to the gist of your original comment...

    Any hang ups you have about being intimate with another person will largely vanish once you get a little practice.

    Sex and intimacy is a skill, not just in the physical sense but in the vibe building sense. Don't worry, you're going to fuck it up a bunch before it starts to come together.

    If you're afraid you're going to slip up and do something that will turn him or her off... you will, lol. But in the end it'll be fine.

    There is tremendous power in being able to choose your role. Masculine, feminine, non denominational, ha ha. Rough and tough, suave and sensual? Master, sub, equals? You want to be the daddy? Or you want to be mommied? You want to cry a little in their arms? You want to take them to heights of pleasure never felt before? You want to have a spiritual moment with them? These are all just variations, themes, props, you can pick up and play with. You don't have to be any one thing.

    And, if you find that you actually do trend towards the effeminate, there are plenty of women who find that cute, too.

    It doesn't matter. At the end of a life you want to be able to say you got to experience it all. Leave nothing on the table.

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