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[+] -11 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (4 children)

people defend rich because they believe in masters

No: the rhetorical defense of rich people usually arises when action against rich people such as "eat the rich" or "steal all their assets" has been proposed, and people say "well not all rich people deserve that."

Which is true. I don't even think a majority of rich people deserve some punishment for how they accrued their wealth. If you have some conception that they should be dropping crumbs of wealth for you along the way, consider:

  • 1 this is rooted in your education, so you really just despise the fact that they rich were educated different from your or had a different outcome to that same education - which is not their fault, since education is top-down nowadays.
  • 2 they may well have already dropped their crumbs, and you were just not among the lucky recipients of it. People prioritise their own family first, and families can be very extensive once you're in the Business of throwing away cash.
  • 3 Literally nothing in society insists upon or suggests that rich people reinvest their wealth in others, or other walks of society - esswntially running counter to how it was historically, for the record.
  • 4 if someone does decide to give away money they get distracted by charity, which is less direct than government schemes to redistribute wealth. Are you going to be vaguely annoyed at people who have done well for themselves rather than the governments ineptitude and charity inefficiency?

And importantly - it is well demonstrated that people can become rich through ethical means. This has been shown to be true over and over again.


Instead of just getting mad at the vague sense of rich people "not doing what you want them to do," reach out and create dialogue with them to lay out your vision for society. Nobody wants to give away money without thinking it will be used effectively.

Elon Musk fan boys

We should call them SpaceX fanboys because they're two different things, really. People support SpaceX because it has been the most technologically successful rocket launching in enterprise in history and is the best bet at space colonisation for its high level or organisation no massive amounts of funding, assuming Elon isn't just a "for profit" kind of guy now.

I cannot imagine liking Elon musk just by himself. He is misguided and loves AI and hasn't taken the time to uhh remedy his PR image. He was buddies either trump. Its like: "do you support the Soviet union and hate stalin" or "do you support the Indian independence movement but disapprove of Mohatma Gandhi (child molester btw)"

People who like Elon musk like him because he politically aligns with them, that is the main reason at the moment. Whether in terms of AI, bitcoin or right wing politics.

1: conservative women like men because they like hierarchy

It is true for some but for many its just that they don't like men being criticised all the time - or the traditional way of life in general. Those ones do not take it to a performative "let me stay home baking for my husband all day" position.

And if people have the right to gay marriage et cet, give them the right to align with that traditional way of life, right? Even if they feel it involves some degree of subservience.

This is an awful allegory for the rich- poor relations, because men-women in a relationship is a binary. Rich and poor is a gradient. If someone approves of rich, they might be like "so I don't understand why anyone would need a billion dollars or more but i support peoples right to hold more money than other people up until that point."

Whereas the question of 'do you like men or not' comes down to "do you literally tolerate >50% of society's right to exist on their terms or not?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

    They're not talking about doctors who are working class but earn more. They're talking about capitalists.

    The binary is "does the money come from labor or from owning something?" Whether or not they are doing a specific action.

    So what you're describing is a grave miscommunication in which someone hears "rich" in 2026 and thinks "millionaire".

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  • [–] 1 point 7 hours ago* (2 children)

    As always, then they should say that. No more "x is y" "no I meant chi is y!" debateslop

    So what you’re describing is a grave miscommunication in which someone hears “rich” in 2026 and thinks “millionaire”.

    No; rich is an incredibly broad, general, term. Anyone who speaks the English language knows that. So again, you have to be specific in your arguments when you lay them out for it to even make logical sense

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  • [–] 3 points 7 hours ago* (1 child)

    IMHO if you really want a good debate, you need to ask up front. Rich means a lot of different things to different people and they are indeed saying what they mean.

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