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Trans Master Sgt describes being told she’s the “wrong kind of American” after 20 years of service (www.lgbtqnation.com)
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After 20 years in the Army, Master Sergeant Amiah Sale’s future hangs in the balance.

The Trump administration has made it a mission to purge all transgender service members from the military, but as the trans military ban makes its way through the courts, some service members, like Sale, are spending their days in limbo.

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[–] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

I've heard some analysis of anti trans types that indicated they're much more upset about men to women transitioners than the reverse because it's an open rejection of the more "powerful" role and how dare you reject your privilege like that.

Can't speak to the veracity of that but it makes sense to me.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

    yea, rowling was pretty hateful towards MTF, she is silent FTM types. its probably msygoyny in play though. come to think of it, we rarely hear hate/critcism towards FTM, so i think its also pure misogyny.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I've thought about this before, but don't see it as misogyny. After all, they don't see MTF as women. I think it has something in common with gay men receiving more hate and being bigger victims of violence than lesbian women. Maybe it does have something to do with rejecting traditional masculinity - which can be related to misogyny, but is a separate thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    And yet she posted an upskirt of a trans woman to silence her. They say they don't see us as women, but aside from comfort using assault they tend to attack us in ways associated with misogyny. A special class of women, certainly, but ultimately there's a misogynistic character to it that I don't see in how gay men are mistreated.

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  • [–] 1 point 12 hours ago

    Didn't know about that. That's... Certainly something. Like I knew about stuff she said and believed, but had no clue it ever got to that point.

    Anyway, purely on the discussion of word choice and the psychology behind it, I'm still not sure sure if that would classify as misogyny. I assume she posted that picture because she saw it as "proof" (in her eyes) that that person was a man. So, from her point of view, the hate is being directed towards men and not women. Even if they are women from our POV, the hate is really coming from a place of hate towards men IMO, or at least what they see as unmanly men. If it was mainly stemming from a hate of women, I imagine a lot more of them would target trans men instead.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    Yeah that's a common conclusion transfeminists come to. And yeah, a lot of transmisogyny seems to come from the anger and confusion at the fact that we're rejecting the more powerful social role (and body type) for one that they see as inferior in some way or that they recognize as having it harder.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 day ago* (3 children)

    Please rethink keeping it, transformers is sadly often used as a slur against us.

    Also assuming you intended to say ‘men to women transgenders’, that’s not much better. ‘Male to female transgender people’ is respectful however.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Please rethink keeping it, transformers is sadly often used as a slur against us.

    Huh. I've only ever heard it used by my trans friends positively. That said, I'll remove it if you find it offensive, wasn't my intention.

    male to female transgenders

    That is not what I intended to say, I intended to say "transitioners". This would be how you refer to people who have transitioned in one word, right?

    I used "man" and "woman" since this is also inclusive of people who are only socially gender transitioning. Is this not correct?

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    On the first point, it’s a bit different if someone is saying it about themselves/their people. And is probably something better kept for in-group chats where that context is known.

    Thanks for changing that and I know you didn’t mean any disrespect.

    On the second, hmm bit trickier. I could see arguments for/against. I’ve personally never seen that wording used, most people say something like ‘mtf trans’, trans woman, or trans femme which includes more than just trans women but still those who would face such transmisogyny.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    On the first point, it’s a bit different if someone is saying it about themselves/their people.

    Sure. In the context I experienced it, it didn't seem like use of the n-word among black folks or something similar, but it's a) possible I missed that it was and b) obviously, not everyone feels the same in the first place, so just because they liked it doesn't mean everyone is cool with it. Could also be that at the time I heard it used this hadn't been picked up by the bigots yet and they since have ruined it, which wouldn't surprise me, unfortunately....

    Either way, noted for future reference, thanks.

    On the second, hmm bit trickier. I could see arguments for/against.

    My thinking was that while "transgenders" is similar to "blacks" in that it takes a noun and sort of subtly objectifies people, to transition is a verb and so is more akin to saying "swimmers" or "runners". But I can see how some may see this as reductive. "Trans femme" sounds like it does what I was looking for, though, so may as well use that.

    If that's less openly offensive I'll keep that as I think this has led to an interesting conversation about language others may be able to learn from as well.

    Though again, fair enough on all points and genuinely noted!

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