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I had my first talk therapy session with my new therapist and she hit me with the "you're very self-aware" ☹️

not the "pleasure to have in class" of therapy

that's right, I know all the tools and have developed countertools so they no longer work. welcome to thunderdome

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[–] 80 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (34 children)

A series of circumstances have made me effectively resistant to CBT, and sadly not the kick-based one. "Talk to yourself as you would to a friend", they say to the dude who has never had any and therefore has no idea of what does that even mean

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  • [–] 64 points 1 month ago* (15 children)

    Ask you doctor if stoicism is right for you.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Stoicism is just sparkling loneliness.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I saw it as the philosophy of the (wage) slave.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    There's a few different 'end states' to stoicism.

    Realizing that you have control over your own emotions opens you up to the ability to counter emotional reactions, e.g. despair at being a wage slave. Despair will keep in wage slavery, because there's no way to make it better. Stoicism is ignoring despair. Intellect loads the gun, instinct knows what happens when you pull the trigger, and, by not letting your emotions choose the target, you go for the one that causes the greatest good and next thing you know you're getting picked up at a McDonald's across state lines.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Stoicism is just dissociating philosophically

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    "I am not my feelings and have control of my actions beyond them" is nothing like disassociating

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Sorry i was just trying to be funny. Most of these "stoic lone warrior" types do just use it to act tough by repressing emotions though

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Oh absolutely, meme stoicism is a wildly different beast from the real thing. The real thing is honestly much closer to CBT than the meme version. It's very "what you say about me says more about you than it says about me, but I should check that you don't have a point about something I should change" rather than "I feel nothing when insulted".

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    “Talk to yourself as you would to a friend”

    I've never heard of this technique. The one CBT technique that I know is labeling your thoughts (according to the type of cognitive distortion) and countering them. If you do it long enough, your thinking is supposed to change. Changing any habit is difficult, though.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I think the idea is that, when you're judging yourself really hard for something you've done, you're asked to consider what you would think of a friend who had done the same thing. A lot of the time people would view the friend as having a made a forgivable mistake, even though they're treating the behavior in themselves as evidence of an irredeemable and permanent character flaw. So it's like, use supportive language when you talk to yourself. Remind yourself of all you've done right and all you've overcome, that sort of thing. Forgive yourself and build yourself up. It's a specific instance of the kind of labeling-and-countering you're talking about.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's also that what you want out of the friend is not for them to run away or apologize profusely, it's to own up, apologize, and try to be better next time

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Talk to yourself as you would to a friend

    I prefer to be honest with myself. While I don't saddle my friends with my problems.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    The point is to be kind to yourself. You should be honest with your friends, but you should make efforts to frame that honesty in a caring and positive light, ensuring them that they're safe with you and that you're raising your concerns out of love for them.

    The therapist's point is that most people know to treat they're friends that way, but tend to be much harsher and less generous with themselves. So: cut yourself some slack, is the message.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I’ve always heard talk to your inner child/talk to yourself with the compassion you’d show a child

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    As someone who grew up constantly criticized, still no idea

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    How you would treat a child, how your childhood self should have been treated not how you were treated as a kid. If a kid came up to you with your problems what would you say?

    Take the criticism for example. Would you not tell the kid some along the lines of "that sucks, bud. Its not really your fault. I've been there and made it through, you can too."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don't know, wasn't "tough love" supposed to be necessary to prevent kids from growing up too pampered and entitled? At least that's how I used to be treated back in the day, as if any assistance would make me incapable or unwilling to sustain myself (not like that made any difference, I was still unable to pull my own bootstraps and am therefore well behind my peers)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    That is the alleged sentiment I suppose, there's a difference between tough and abusive that many parents never really figure out. There's no one type of parenting that is best for all kids. Pulling up by your own bootstraps is a paradoxical statement for a reason.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I had the same issue, and eventually realized we have resources specifically for learning this: I started reading parenting books.

    I would recommend "Unconditional Parenting" by Alfie Kohn as a starting point.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    On one hand, good to know there is an answer; on the other, I'm generally priced out of purchasing books, so it's as good as being forbidden from learning the answer (unless I find a summary online).

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