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Comrads, we must provide critical support, not critical thinking! (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 8 points 4 days ago (1 child)

These kinds of arguments lack any kind of deeper thought or nuance.

I mean that's what Zionists say about Pro Palestine group. That's what Americans said about resistance groups in the middle east. That's what Americans said about the Natives.

I just disagree with this entire philosophy. You should be able understand an argument you disagree with.

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  • [–] -3 points 4 days ago* (1 child)

    I didn't say don't understand them, I'm saying they're literally not thinking that deeply about it. They want to get a rise out of you and someone showed them they can do that by opening with a straw-man like this. By deliberately misrepresenting what "Tankie" means they can completely disarm it and force you to defend a position they chose, which they know is indefensible. It's pure rhetorical strategy, they don't actually know or care what a Tankie thinks. They're trying to make the word mean something it never has and never should mean. Is it possible someone on their side has done some work to rationalize their twisted interpretation. That rationalization is usually paper thin and almost no one on their side knows or cares about it besides its usefulness as a tactical fallback. They don't believe any of this, its a rhetorical game and the point is their nihilistic disregard for consequences.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    That sounds like a description of every troll. Tbh I keep hearing tankie thrown around, but I've never had the conversations people who complain about it have.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Tankie is a general term for someone who thinks there is a clear justification to use force or the threat of force to impose a socialist system on a state. The term originates with people who supported the USSR "Sending in the tanks" to annex other countries and crush dissent from people in their sphere. They are what people mean when they "If you go far enough left, you get your guns back." These days they tend to be a tiny minority within the rather small minority of actual leftists. They do exist, and some of them are pretty out there, but not the way the .ml crowd tends to characterize them. They're terrified of them, because in their heads the most terrifying thing in the world is a leftist that is willing to fight back, and they don't recognize anything that doesn't kill someone as "fighting."

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  • [–] -1 points 2 days ago

    Tankie is a general term for someone who thinks there is a clear justification to use force or the threat of force to impose a socialist system on a state.

    By this "definition" every non-reformist socialist is a "tankie".

    Funny how you claimed to be a socialist previously, but now you imply that basically all socialists are bad.

    The term originates with people who supported the USSR “Sending in the tanks” to annex other countries and crush dissent from people in their sphere.

    Firstly, which countries did the USSR annex when the "tankie" pejorative was coined? Any annexations after that?
    Secondly, the "dissent" in question were NATO-backed nazis. Please tell us why you think that forcing capitalism on a country is good in your eyes, and should not be opposed.

    What actions do you even disagree with here?

    They’re terrified of them, because in their heads the most terrifying thing in the world is a leftist that is willing to fight back, and they don’t recognize anything that doesn’t kill someone as “fighting.”

    This is extremely funny, considering that your position seems to be "the rest of the world should be subjugated by NATO, and everybody else is bad to take forceful action against that", which is very much not "leftist".

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  • [–] 0 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Wait so .ml isn't a community of tankies? I've been on here for 6 months and I just assumed that .ml was tankie central based on how people talk.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    No. Or at least that isn't what the term was coined as. They discover a new word and then reinterpret it as kind of a weird cosplay thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Wait so are you mad at tankies or .ml? Or both?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    I learned a long time ago there's no point in being mad at people on the internet. If I'm going to have a beer with someone, I'd probably choose the tankies. They're way less likely to call for the genocide of my family, my nation and torture and murder of people who think like me, but hey, do your thing.

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