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[–] -4 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

Have a meaningful conversation of how an all-powerful, good God can allow so much suffering.

Evolution is driven by adversity. Organisms experience stress, seek to relieve themselves of that stress, and improve upon their function iteratively over billions of years.

Pain is a form of information which gives an organism an imperative to change. And with a great number of organisms, you will necessarily have a great deal of suffering. But without that pain, you lose the incentive to change. The end result is stagnation and decay. A lack of pain isn't joy, it's numbness. A lack of adversity does not imply triumph but inertia. What you're asking for isn't a Utopia, it's the heat death of the universe.

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  • [–] 6 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    I get it. Rape, murder, war, horrific disease, and all the other "adversity" the all-knowing cock known as God allows is for our own good. It's like a man beating his wife so she'll know better next time. She'll evolve due to the information provided by his fist.

    "What you're asking for isn't a Utopia, it's the heat death of the universe." I dunno about you but all I'm looking for is a little less genocide, maybe a bit fewer hungry children, maybe some consequences for well-known pedophiles.

    I guess if there is no horrific suffering in the world we won't evolve. I volunteer you for the next horror, you piece of shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago

    Rape, murder, war, horrific disease, and all the other “adversity”

    I mean, you're talking about this as though some Divine Agent actively is making one person sexually assault another. Or kill another. Or cough on one another.

    If you don't want to live in a world full of rape, I would suggest you start by not raping anyone. Grabbing someone by the hair, pulling them into the ally, violently forcing yourself on them, and then saying "God made me do it!" is the most cynical shit imaginable.

    “What you’re asking for isn’t a Utopia, it’s the heat death of the universe.” I dunno about you but all I’m looking for is a little less genocide, maybe a bit fewer hungry children, maybe some consequences for well-known pedophiles.

    I mean, good news? We've been emerging from a state of nature for thousands of years and we are absolutely reaching an apex of civilization such that genocide and famine are at an all time low. Meanwhile, pedophilia and rape and murder are increasingly reviled rather than celebrated or tolerated.

    But, again, your parents' generation watched a thirty-year-old Prince of Wales become betrothed to a 16-year-old girl and clapped like seals. God didn't make the English Monarchy do that.

    God didn't set up Little Saint James and stuff the Lolita Express full of post-Soviet block easily exploitable teenage refugees.

    God didn't initiate the Nakba or perpetuate a running genocide against the Palestinian people for the next 80 years. Neither did he kick off the German Holocaust or the Armenian Genocide. He didn't spread the Spanish Flu during WW1 or factory farm in such dense conditions that COVID erupted onto the public in 2020.

    All this shit is the direct result of human activity. Human ingenuity. Human passions. Human biases. Human politics.

    I guess if there is no horrific suffering in the world we won’t evolve.

    You can wave your hands and bemoan the existence of heat waves and hurricanes, then blame The Divine for building a universe in which some bad things happen to some living beings some of the time. But then you're obligated to posit a world without heat waves and without hurricanes. And good fucking luck. That's one hell of a balancing act.

    You can posit a world in which bad things happen but we just don't notice or care. But where does that end? Is suffering better if we're blind to it? Not to get too Biblical, but you eat from the Tree of Knowledge and you begin to see the world more clearly. Language, society, historical memory, the capacity for science and engineering - they're all double-edged swords.

    You could be a microbe right now, with absolutely no conceptualization of who you are or why you're here or what the universe outside a few centimeters looks like. And would that make you happier? Is that your Utopia? A few hours or days of existence mostly eating until you're fat enough for mitosis. Is that your idea of a good time?

    At least then you wouldn't know enough to blame God for anything, right?

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