historicaldocuments comments on I'm not touching that Trump mystery meat

[–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And you base this off of… my belief that one should ask people to stop touching their stuff rather than immediately run up and beat the shit out of them?

I base this off of what you've said which leads me to believe that you think other people should act that way in that situation, but you'd do something different if it was you. We also don't know the intent of the grabber.

Were you dropped on your head as a child, or do you come by this level of violent sociopathy naturally?

Your histrionics may play better with someone else. Do you not think the owner of the golf club has any rights at all? Have you ever in your life heard of thieves scouting/casing a location, or probing actions that can be played off as "just looking" or "was just curious?" If someone carries your drink at a bar is the first thought that goes through your head "that guy seems just as nice as the guy selling roofie test kits"?

History decides whether a reaction or preaction was proportional or not, and they use context that we don't currently and will never have. Predeciding a course of action for every future interaction between humans at a personal, state, nation state level is just dumb. History is littered with people who suffered because they didn't believe something would happen and people who look back wondering why nobody did anything to stop a situation. I understand better why that is, now.

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[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

I don’t think he, or anyone else, has the right to go from zero to violence without any steps in between for something as mild as someone trying to touch an object that belongs to him. Talking to the offender should always be the first step. If they refuse to listen or back off, then escalation may be warranted, but, again, that’s not what happens in the video. He just flat-out tackles her.

I base this off of what you've said which leads me to believe that you think other people should act that way in that situation, but you'd do something different if it was you.

Not sure where you’re getting this. If someone reaches out to touch something of mine, I ask them to stop. That is what sane people do. They try talking first.

We also don't know the intent of the grabber.

And we should always assume the worst of people and immediately attack them? Dude, that’s what gets people shot for accidentally knocking on the wrong door. That sort of behavior is not okay.

And my question was a serious one. Sane people, again, don’t go around assaulting other people at the slightest provocation. That you apparently do, or fantasize about doing so, is a sign that you are quite mentally disturbed.

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[–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

without any steps in between for something as mild as someone trying to touch an object that belongs to him.

Again, you're assuming the offender's intent a priori, and assigning a low value of someone else's property for them which you don't have the right to do. Everyone has a smart phone these days, but you can't know whether the loss of that phone is a minor inconvenience to a person or whether it's their "home address" with the only contact information they have. That places a major value difference to the property to the owner that won't be visible to anyone else.

And we should always assume the worst of people and immediately attack them?

Certainly not, and from the context of the ad that's not what happened there. In the ad world the owner of the clubs didn't create the set of conditions that led to the grabber's actions, the grabber did.

Sane people, again, don’t go around assaulting other people at the slightest provocation. That you apparently do, or fantasize about doing so, is a sign that you are quite mentally disturbed.

Again, "slightest provocation" is relative. That's why we're having this long ass conversation: you've obviously never been down to your last two nickels and watched something critical fail because of the preventable actions of someone else. Lucky you, congratulations, and I hope that you continue to have that sort of luck going forward because you obviously don't have the toolset developed to handle that kind of situation. Your strawman and ad hominem attacks aside I'm happily sitting at zero altercations and hope that continues on for the rest of my days.

I also no longer have to wonder if long, monotonous safety briefings are really necessary; that nobody truly could be so stupid as to ignore all warning signs, social cues, pictographs of danger, lights, sirens, bells and whistles, because I can remember that you're out there somewhere oblivious to the world and its consequences and armed with all the world's knowledge about all possible events and outcomes and have them prejudged based on your interpretation of violence.

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