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[–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 2 days ago (1 child) So many layers of tax, each bleeding a worker who would otherwise be able to contribute more to the other workers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago (4 children) Taxes are how you contribute to other workers. The notion that taxes are "stolen" is libertarian bullshit preached by the people who want to drive us back into feudalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 18 hours ago (1 child) BBQ parties and helping them move are how you contribute to other workers. Sales taxes are how you still cant afford bratwurst. And when they say your taxes go to healthcare, you think it goes to doctors and nurses. Actually most of it goes to brian thompson types. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 point 18 hours ago (1 child) Ah yes, regular BBQ parties are notably more valuable than healthcare. Of course. Turns out my $700 pellet smoker can do the job of an entire hospital and I never knew! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) tax money goes to consultants. lobbyists. hospital non-compete clauses. administration. hospital ai. ceo paychecks. drug monopolies. patents. buying bias in science, etc. also, taxing the rich is possible if the system becomes simpler. the more complex the system, the greater the lawyers payout permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 hours ago None of those things are arguments against having taxation. You're just quibbling over how taxes are collected and spent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] architect 2 points 2 days ago At this point I no longer believe taxes go to anything good. Even the fucking welfare is all a grift with these politicians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago Taxes are how you contribute to other workers ...in a system where politicians actually represent their constituents instead of their corporate donors. preached by the people who want to drive us back into feudalism. Even feudal lords demanded tribute. That's basically what taxation is in a system where the government is this blatantly corrupt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] driftwood@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 days ago (2 children) So the orange one paying to prevent wind farm construction is contributing to the workers? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago No matter what, you will always be able to name a government expenditure you personally disagree with. It is ridiculously childish to conclude from that fact that government spending as a whole should not exist. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WaxRhetorical@lemmy.world 1 point 2 days ago (1 child) No, but the alternative is not some no-tax, every-person-for-themselves anarchy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (2 children) Please do yourself and others a favor and don't conflate libertarians with actual anarchism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago* (2 children) whilst modern anarchism certainly has a lot of good points to make, anarchism in general also covers some pretty horrendous ways of structuring society… anarchism is, at its core, is just absense of government and rulers The word "anarchy" was first defined by Ancient Greek philosophy, which understood it to be a corrupted form of direct democracy, where a majority of people exclusively pursue their own interests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy that original definition pretty well covers “everyone for themselves anarchy” you can argue “yes but no serious anarchist”, but the word at its core doesn’t just mean the serious and thought out structures it is what it is: anarchy can mean chaos, it’s just that when discussing with people who are discussing the implementation of anarchy, it’s widely agreed that chaos is not the goal and thus other systems are put in place it is frustrating that the modern version of the word has become synonymous with only the kind of anarchism that’s generally agreed is not the way any of this should be implemented… but anarchism still covers those shit takes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 days ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 days ago That's certainly... true enough from a prescriptivist perspective. However the layman likely doesn't care about all that, and frankly neither do I. Anarcho-capitalism (US libertarianism, read: feudalism) is about as true to "modern anarchism" as Nazism (fascism) is to socialism. Anyway, I find your "contribution" kinda unhelpful and kinda masturbatory, so... goodbye permalink fedilink source parent [–] lyrial@anarchist.nexus 5 points 2 days ago (1 child) It is extremely frustrating that anarchism had been deliberately stigmatized and demonized through all forms of media for decades. Like someone in a movie describing a riot as "total anarchy." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago Yeah, the unending propaganda is just awful. And necessary to perpetuate any system that can't stand on its own merits. "Tyranny requires constant effort." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago (4 children) Taxes are how you contribute to other workers. The notion that taxes are "stolen" is libertarian bullshit preached by the people who want to drive us back into feudalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 18 hours ago (1 child) BBQ parties and helping them move are how you contribute to other workers. Sales taxes are how you still cant afford bratwurst. And when they say your taxes go to healthcare, you think it goes to doctors and nurses. Actually most of it goes to brian thompson types. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 point 18 hours ago (1 child) Ah yes, regular BBQ parties are notably more valuable than healthcare. Of course. Turns out my $700 pellet smoker can do the job of an entire hospital and I never knew! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) tax money goes to consultants. lobbyists. hospital non-compete clauses. administration. hospital ai. ceo paychecks. drug monopolies. patents. buying bias in science, etc. also, taxing the rich is possible if the system becomes simpler. the more complex the system, the greater the lawyers payout permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 hours ago None of those things are arguments against having taxation. You're just quibbling over how taxes are collected and spent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] architect 2 points 2 days ago At this point I no longer believe taxes go to anything good. Even the fucking welfare is all a grift with these politicians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago Taxes are how you contribute to other workers ...in a system where politicians actually represent their constituents instead of their corporate donors. preached by the people who want to drive us back into feudalism. Even feudal lords demanded tribute. That's basically what taxation is in a system where the government is this blatantly corrupt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] driftwood@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 days ago (2 children) So the orange one paying to prevent wind farm construction is contributing to the workers? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago No matter what, you will always be able to name a government expenditure you personally disagree with. It is ridiculously childish to conclude from that fact that government spending as a whole should not exist. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WaxRhetorical@lemmy.world 1 point 2 days ago (1 child) No, but the alternative is not some no-tax, every-person-for-themselves anarchy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (2 children) Please do yourself and others a favor and don't conflate libertarians with actual anarchism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago* (2 children) whilst modern anarchism certainly has a lot of good points to make, anarchism in general also covers some pretty horrendous ways of structuring society… anarchism is, at its core, is just absense of government and rulers The word "anarchy" was first defined by Ancient Greek philosophy, which understood it to be a corrupted form of direct democracy, where a majority of people exclusively pursue their own interests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy that original definition pretty well covers “everyone for themselves anarchy” you can argue “yes but no serious anarchist”, but the word at its core doesn’t just mean the serious and thought out structures it is what it is: anarchy can mean chaos, it’s just that when discussing with people who are discussing the implementation of anarchy, it’s widely agreed that chaos is not the goal and thus other systems are put in place it is frustrating that the modern version of the word has become synonymous with only the kind of anarchism that’s generally agreed is not the way any of this should be implemented… but anarchism still covers those shit takes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 days ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 days ago That's certainly... true enough from a prescriptivist perspective. However the layman likely doesn't care about all that, and frankly neither do I. Anarcho-capitalism (US libertarianism, read: feudalism) is about as true to "modern anarchism" as Nazism (fascism) is to socialism. Anyway, I find your "contribution" kinda unhelpful and kinda masturbatory, so... goodbye permalink fedilink source parent [–] lyrial@anarchist.nexus 5 points 2 days ago (1 child) It is extremely frustrating that anarchism had been deliberately stigmatized and demonized through all forms of media for decades. Like someone in a movie describing a riot as "total anarchy." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago Yeah, the unending propaganda is just awful. And necessary to perpetuate any system that can't stand on its own merits. "Tyranny requires constant effort." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 18 hours ago (1 child) BBQ parties and helping them move are how you contribute to other workers. Sales taxes are how you still cant afford bratwurst. And when they say your taxes go to healthcare, you think it goes to doctors and nurses. Actually most of it goes to brian thompson types. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 point 18 hours ago (1 child) Ah yes, regular BBQ parties are notably more valuable than healthcare. Of course. Turns out my $700 pellet smoker can do the job of an entire hospital and I never knew! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) tax money goes to consultants. lobbyists. hospital non-compete clauses. administration. hospital ai. ceo paychecks. drug monopolies. patents. buying bias in science, etc. also, taxing the rich is possible if the system becomes simpler. the more complex the system, the greater the lawyers payout permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 hours ago None of those things are arguments against having taxation. You're just quibbling over how taxes are collected and spent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 point 18 hours ago (1 child) Ah yes, regular BBQ parties are notably more valuable than healthcare. Of course. Turns out my $700 pellet smoker can do the job of an entire hospital and I never knew! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) tax money goes to consultants. lobbyists. hospital non-compete clauses. administration. hospital ai. ceo paychecks. drug monopolies. patents. buying bias in science, etc. also, taxing the rich is possible if the system becomes simpler. the more complex the system, the greater the lawyers payout permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 hours ago None of those things are arguments against having taxation. You're just quibbling over how taxes are collected and spent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) tax money goes to consultants. lobbyists. hospital non-compete clauses. administration. hospital ai. ceo paychecks. drug monopolies. patents. buying bias in science, etc. also, taxing the rich is possible if the system becomes simpler. the more complex the system, the greater the lawyers payout permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 hours ago None of those things are arguments against having taxation. You're just quibbling over how taxes are collected and spent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 hours ago None of those things are arguments against having taxation. You're just quibbling over how taxes are collected and spent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] architect 2 points 2 days ago At this point I no longer believe taxes go to anything good. Even the fucking welfare is all a grift with these politicians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago Taxes are how you contribute to other workers ...in a system where politicians actually represent their constituents instead of their corporate donors. preached by the people who want to drive us back into feudalism. Even feudal lords demanded tribute. That's basically what taxation is in a system where the government is this blatantly corrupt. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] driftwood@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 days ago (2 children) So the orange one paying to prevent wind farm construction is contributing to the workers? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago No matter what, you will always be able to name a government expenditure you personally disagree with. It is ridiculously childish to conclude from that fact that government spending as a whole should not exist. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WaxRhetorical@lemmy.world 1 point 2 days ago (1 child) No, but the alternative is not some no-tax, every-person-for-themselves anarchy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (2 children) Please do yourself and others a favor and don't conflate libertarians with actual anarchism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago* (2 children) whilst modern anarchism certainly has a lot of good points to make, anarchism in general also covers some pretty horrendous ways of structuring society… anarchism is, at its core, is just absense of government and rulers The word "anarchy" was first defined by Ancient Greek philosophy, which understood it to be a corrupted form of direct democracy, where a majority of people exclusively pursue their own interests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy that original definition pretty well covers “everyone for themselves anarchy” you can argue “yes but no serious anarchist”, but the word at its core doesn’t just mean the serious and thought out structures it is what it is: anarchy can mean chaos, it’s just that when discussing with people who are discussing the implementation of anarchy, it’s widely agreed that chaos is not the goal and thus other systems are put in place it is frustrating that the modern version of the word has become synonymous with only the kind of anarchism that’s generally agreed is not the way any of this should be implemented… but anarchism still covers those shit takes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 days ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 days ago That's certainly... true enough from a prescriptivist perspective. However the layman likely doesn't care about all that, and frankly neither do I. Anarcho-capitalism (US libertarianism, read: feudalism) is about as true to "modern anarchism" as Nazism (fascism) is to socialism. Anyway, I find your "contribution" kinda unhelpful and kinda masturbatory, so... goodbye permalink fedilink source parent [–] lyrial@anarchist.nexus 5 points 2 days ago (1 child) It is extremely frustrating that anarchism had been deliberately stigmatized and demonized through all forms of media for decades. Like someone in a movie describing a riot as "total anarchy." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago Yeah, the unending propaganda is just awful. And necessary to perpetuate any system that can't stand on its own merits. "Tyranny requires constant effort." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago No matter what, you will always be able to name a government expenditure you personally disagree with. It is ridiculously childish to conclude from that fact that government spending as a whole should not exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WaxRhetorical@lemmy.world 1 point 2 days ago (1 child) No, but the alternative is not some no-tax, every-person-for-themselves anarchy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (2 children) Please do yourself and others a favor and don't conflate libertarians with actual anarchism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago* (2 children) whilst modern anarchism certainly has a lot of good points to make, anarchism in general also covers some pretty horrendous ways of structuring society… anarchism is, at its core, is just absense of government and rulers The word "anarchy" was first defined by Ancient Greek philosophy, which understood it to be a corrupted form of direct democracy, where a majority of people exclusively pursue their own interests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy that original definition pretty well covers “everyone for themselves anarchy” you can argue “yes but no serious anarchist”, but the word at its core doesn’t just mean the serious and thought out structures it is what it is: anarchy can mean chaos, it’s just that when discussing with people who are discussing the implementation of anarchy, it’s widely agreed that chaos is not the goal and thus other systems are put in place it is frustrating that the modern version of the word has become synonymous with only the kind of anarchism that’s generally agreed is not the way any of this should be implemented… but anarchism still covers those shit takes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 days ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 days ago That's certainly... true enough from a prescriptivist perspective. However the layman likely doesn't care about all that, and frankly neither do I. Anarcho-capitalism (US libertarianism, read: feudalism) is about as true to "modern anarchism" as Nazism (fascism) is to socialism. Anyway, I find your "contribution" kinda unhelpful and kinda masturbatory, so... goodbye permalink fedilink source parent [–] lyrial@anarchist.nexus 5 points 2 days ago (1 child) It is extremely frustrating that anarchism had been deliberately stigmatized and demonized through all forms of media for decades. Like someone in a movie describing a riot as "total anarchy." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago Yeah, the unending propaganda is just awful. And necessary to perpetuate any system that can't stand on its own merits. "Tyranny requires constant effort." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (2 children) Please do yourself and others a favor and don't conflate libertarians with actual anarchism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago* (2 children) whilst modern anarchism certainly has a lot of good points to make, anarchism in general also covers some pretty horrendous ways of structuring society… anarchism is, at its core, is just absense of government and rulers The word "anarchy" was first defined by Ancient Greek philosophy, which understood it to be a corrupted form of direct democracy, where a majority of people exclusively pursue their own interests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy that original definition pretty well covers “everyone for themselves anarchy” you can argue “yes but no serious anarchist”, but the word at its core doesn’t just mean the serious and thought out structures it is what it is: anarchy can mean chaos, it’s just that when discussing with people who are discussing the implementation of anarchy, it’s widely agreed that chaos is not the goal and thus other systems are put in place it is frustrating that the modern version of the word has become synonymous with only the kind of anarchism that’s generally agreed is not the way any of this should be implemented… but anarchism still covers those shit takes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 days ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 days ago That's certainly... true enough from a prescriptivist perspective. However the layman likely doesn't care about all that, and frankly neither do I. Anarcho-capitalism (US libertarianism, read: feudalism) is about as true to "modern anarchism" as Nazism (fascism) is to socialism. Anyway, I find your "contribution" kinda unhelpful and kinda masturbatory, so... goodbye permalink fedilink source parent [–] lyrial@anarchist.nexus 5 points 2 days ago (1 child) It is extremely frustrating that anarchism had been deliberately stigmatized and demonized through all forms of media for decades. Like someone in a movie describing a riot as "total anarchy." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago Yeah, the unending propaganda is just awful. And necessary to perpetuate any system that can't stand on its own merits. "Tyranny requires constant effort." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago* (2 children) whilst modern anarchism certainly has a lot of good points to make, anarchism in general also covers some pretty horrendous ways of structuring society… anarchism is, at its core, is just absense of government and rulers The word "anarchy" was first defined by Ancient Greek philosophy, which understood it to be a corrupted form of direct democracy, where a majority of people exclusively pursue their own interests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy that original definition pretty well covers “everyone for themselves anarchy” you can argue “yes but no serious anarchist”, but the word at its core doesn’t just mean the serious and thought out structures it is what it is: anarchy can mean chaos, it’s just that when discussing with people who are discussing the implementation of anarchy, it’s widely agreed that chaos is not the goal and thus other systems are put in place it is frustrating that the modern version of the word has become synonymous with only the kind of anarchism that’s generally agreed is not the way any of this should be implemented… but anarchism still covers those shit takes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 days ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 days ago That's certainly... true enough from a prescriptivist perspective. However the layman likely doesn't care about all that, and frankly neither do I. Anarcho-capitalism (US libertarianism, read: feudalism) is about as true to "modern anarchism" as Nazism (fascism) is to socialism. Anyway, I find your "contribution" kinda unhelpful and kinda masturbatory, so... goodbye permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 days ago That's certainly... true enough from a prescriptivist perspective. However the layman likely doesn't care about all that, and frankly neither do I. Anarcho-capitalism (US libertarianism, read: feudalism) is about as true to "modern anarchism" as Nazism (fascism) is to socialism. Anyway, I find your "contribution" kinda unhelpful and kinda masturbatory, so... goodbye permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lyrial@anarchist.nexus 5 points 2 days ago (1 child) It is extremely frustrating that anarchism had been deliberately stigmatized and demonized through all forms of media for decades. Like someone in a movie describing a riot as "total anarchy." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago Yeah, the unending propaganda is just awful. And necessary to perpetuate any system that can't stand on its own merits. "Tyranny requires constant effort." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago Yeah, the unending propaganda is just awful. And necessary to perpetuate any system that can't stand on its own merits. "Tyranny requires constant effort." permalink fedilink source parent