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[–] 12 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I hate to be all "fragile masculinity", but this comic seems to imply that men are somehow profiting from the situation and I really don't think we are. Probably not what the artist intended to imply, but I figured I'd mention how it comes across.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I mean, yes and no. As cis men we benefit in all kinds of ways that we're not even aware of most of the time, simply from being cis men. But also toxic masculinity/patriarchy is harmful to men and we will all be freer when those structures and mindsets are knocked down.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Do people doubt your competence because of your penis? Do they pay you less because you have a beard?

    The comic is recognizing the existing systemic inequality between men and women, and how trans women suffer from both the system, and TERFs.

    What you're not seeing in the comic is the billionaire driving past in his Ferrari, blowing smoke on these three. It's all about perspective. Non rich men are on top of the bottom.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    What's missing is the "camera" panning down to show that road is made of poor men, but that fits because many of them are functionally invisible.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 day ago (38 children)

    The road is made out of women more than men.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    Its only in the last 50 years that women have been able to serve in wars. Its only in the last 50 years that most women have been able to find employment in the same spheres as men.

    Yet, most soldiers are men. Yet in every hard labor industry the majority of employees are men. Most homicide victims are men. Most suicides are men.

    Now, I will admit that I was tutored under the patriarchy and there may be a discrepancy in my learning. However, it is no difficulty to cite my sources.

    suicides by sex

    military by sex

    Jobs by sex

    homicides by sex

    My point is that women have undoubtedly contributed MASSIVELY to human innovation, and have suffered under patriarchal social systems, but by no means is it that the road of capitalism is paved with the bodies of women.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Women have physically labored for much of human history. Their efforts haven't been as recognized as much by historians as men's efforts have.

    That's not to take away from how men have contributed, mind you. But to say that the road to capitalism is not paved with the bodies of women is false.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I completely agree that women have physically labored for much of human history, and also have contributed in equal measure to much of the advances we now take for granted. My comment was not to diminish the suffrage of women under unjust and unequal systems, but to highlight that the majority of fatalities under capitalism are men.

    Women 100% suffer under capitalism, there is no argument there, and yes their are definitely women in the brick and mortal of the road. The points I made and the sources I linked are specifically in context to the comment saying, "The road is made out of women more than men". If it is not an equal mix, the statistics I have access to would say that men make up the majority of fatalities under capitalism.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    You are absolutely diminishing women's contributions and also positioning them as less enslaved by capitalism than men.

    There are many, many ways that capitalism claims lives that aren't from war or construction.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    Alright, while I don't see how I'm diminishing women's contributions that doesn't mean that it is not true. You've made your statement, but the burden of building your argument and coming out on the other end supporting that claim is on you.

    I've cited sources to build my argument, I would expect equal labor if this is to be a conversation build on mutual respect.

    Please attack the pieces of my argument that diminish women's contributions under capitalism.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (1 child)

    I’ve cited sources to build my argument, I would expect equal labor if this is to be a conversation build on mutual respect.

    This isn't a conversation built on mutual respect with how you're framing women here through history. I have no obligation to meet men at this level when they're trying to "logic" their way to discrediting women.

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  • [–] 1 point 23 hours ago* (1 child)

    ...I'm not a man :/ Also, there are people who are upvoting my comments, so it may be at everyone's benefit if you laid out your argument. Unless you have none, which is what I can only assume when you sidestep mutual respect with (checks notes) sexism.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    Because women don't die in war. Or fail to receive proper medical treatment due to an establishment that failed to include them in research groups for most of history. Or are victims of domestic violence. And that's just in the western world.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    Yet in every hard labor industry the majority of employees are

    I just want to point out that often women are actively pushed out of spaces like this. Ask any woman who has gone into a male dominated field how she is treated. We are often pushed out because of sexism, misogyny, and sexual harassment.

    Example: I wanted to be an electrician, I was actively working towards that goal. I overheard how another electrician and the job foreman spoke about my body and the nasty things they would do to me if they had the chance when they thought I couldn’t hear them. It was disgusting and made me unsafe in that environment.

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