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(CW anti-Semitism) Local man storms out of meeting yelling about free speech bc we say don't call people "zog bots" (hexbear.net)
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So a new guy shows up to one of our public meetings yesterday, after maybe 20 minutes calls someone who he disagrees with a "zog bot"

I tell him not to call people that, bc "zog" originates in neo-nazism and anti-jewish conspiracy theories, say we can talk more after the meeting if need be

He slams his fists on the table and yells "ok zog bot" throws papers on the ground and storms out yelling "no god damn free speech! Zogs got em, zogs got em!"

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[–] 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The proliferation of the term "zog" is absurd to me. Used to be only Turner-Diaries-types would use it. That's still the case, but now Turner-Diaries-types seem to be a lot more common.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    It feels like americans especially are primed to default to antisemitism when they don't have the tools to navigate the difference between judaism and zionism. Like the background radiation of pop culture has a lot of antisemitic tropes that young people might latch on to. Not making excuses for the shithead, but I get why.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago

    Helps that they live in a white supremacist settler colony, which tends to produce such things, which zionism can then use to paint itself as the only alternative...

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago* (4 children)

    It feels like americans especially are primed to default to antisemitism

    I agree if only because Americans had virtually zero concept of antisemitism 10 years ago and it was only until Israel truly accelerated things that this has reared its ugly head, so let’s not overstate things. Blame the Europeans for this weird shit

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  • [–] 20 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    huh? nine years ago was richard spencer getting punched and charlottesville. before that, smaller-time neonazi events would make the news periodically. 4chan happy merchant shit was all over gamergate. jk rowling's goblins. aclu getting in trouble for defending nazis.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    Nazi sentiment during this time was centered around hatred against other groupsminorities, it wasn’t necessarily Jewish centric in nature. Vast majority of people who were victims of violence during Charlottesville were black.

    jk rowling's goblins

    She’s British

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  • [–] 24 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    Okay, I was on 4chan ten years ago, and I'm pretty confident the anti-Black racism also featured antisemitic "great replacement" conspiracies. That's literally what the "Jews will not replace us" sign meant at Charlottesville.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago

    I stopped visiting 4chan about 2 or 3 years before gamergate because even back then it felt as if it was just a nazi site that was beyond salvaging. Antisemitism was already widespread there even back then. I'm talking full on happy merchant and holocaust denial stuff.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    famously no americans read or discussed harry potter

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    No shit, it’s probably the most popular series of books world over in the past 5 decades?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, beyond the actual spread of these fascistic ideologies, it’s concerning how a lot of terms and ideas from them get adopted in the mainstream (sometimes in the name of irony, and other times not)

    The antisemitism is particularly noticeable, and it’s really uncomfortable seeing how much of it has poisoned the wells of a lot of vaguely left or pro-Palestine discourse online

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  • [–] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    It's part of the weird cultural export that 4chan does, I think. Why you also see lots of "-oid" suffixes and such, too.

    I think the well-poisoning happens mostly because losers like badempanada, who were already antisemities, now see a "justification" for it and lean into that. Kinda sickening.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Yeah I'm also skeptical of anyone that uses that -oid suffix when talking about anything other than geometry.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Had a friend use the "well well well" and "noticing" dogwhistles without realizing their meaning. Don't like how these things are becoming mainstream

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I hadn't heard of either of these, what are they?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    Noticing is when you "notice" that people in high positions are often Jewish and therefore control the world. Well well well is something people say when a minority embodies a stereotype. In the case of Jewish people you mostly see it when a Jewish person is greedy or a pedophile.

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