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[–] 10 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Do Americans really just say cheese pizza instead of Margherita?

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  • [–] 35 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    In my experience in America, "cheese pizza" usually means shredded mozzarella spread evenly over the pizza while "Margherita style" means chunks of fresh mozzarella.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

    In the UK Margherita literally just means cheese on a pizza, regardless of the type of cheese from what I can tell. Obviously some places do the more fancy mozzarella blobs but most places it's just grated cheese (usually still mozzarella though)

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  • [–] 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Seems like the UK has it wrong on the name, then. The margherita pizza I am familiar with has large slices of mozzarella, a chunky tomato sauce, and basil on top.

    Ordering a margherita pizza and getting a generic pizza made with shredded cheese and marinara sauce would be a major disappointment.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago

    Ordering a margherita pizza and getting a generic pizza made with shredded cheese and marinara sauce would be a major disappointment.

    Andy: Okay. You guys ever had Margherita pizza?
    Stanley: What's that?
    Andy: Fresh tomato with a dollop of mozzarella cheese.
    Stanley: That's pizza.
    Pam: That's regular pizza.
    [pizza arrives, Andy looks in the box]
    Andy: Ah, their interpretation of Margarita pizza. Fans of classic pizza will be psyched.

    The Office (US) S8E1 "The List"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    The margherita pizza I am familiar with has large slices of mozzarella, a chunky tomato sauce, and basil on top.

    That's a margherita pizza in the US.

    Ordering a margherita pizza and getting a generic pizza made with shredded cheese and marinara sauce would be a major disappointment.

    Imagine my chagrin when, traveling in Europe, I ordered a margherita pizza and received a cheese pizza. I thought they got my order wrong. It took me like three tries on separate days before I found out that that's just what margherita means outside the US...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Americans easily gets confused when people are using different terms and words for things than Americans are.

    The point is that what you encountered wasn't wrong, it was just different from what you were used to.

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  • [–] 2 points 19 hours ago

    Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I related a personal experience about when I learned there was a difference, but that doesn't mean I thought it was wrong.

    Just a humorous way to laugh at myself while saying "the world is bigger than you think, and words can mean different things in different places."

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  • [–] 1 point 18 hours ago

    Wouldn't it be the other way around. The comment that spawned this entire thing was literally about what Americans in america call it. And we use different words for the two things. So this is a case of Europeans being confused that Americans call two different ways to prepare a pizza by two different names.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    I mean, I've had margherita pizzas outside of the US as well and they matched my expectations. At least in Asia and South America. So I guess it just leaves me puzzled as to how much of Europe (maybe just the non-NA Anglosphere) is getting it wrong when Italy is right there.

    I've also seen pizzas that I would describe as margherita pizza when visiting Scandinavia, but if you're in Sweden and you're having anything other than the banana curry pizza, you're doing yourself a disservice

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    leaves me puzzled as to how much of Europe is getting it wrong when Italy is right there.

    That's the part you're not getting. Europe isn't the one "getting it wrong." If you want to claim that only one way is correct, then the US is the incorrect way.

    A country's proximity to italy is irrelevant. There's literally an Italian in this thread who says margherita pizza in italy just means cheese pizza.

    It's like claiming Germany does bratwurst wrong because it doesn't taste like the ones you get from the supermarket in the US.

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  • [–] 3 points 18 hours ago

    Checking various lists from countries this is as far as I can tell EXCLUSIVELY a problem of western Europe.

    All three of the Americas, china, Russia, japan, Scandinavian, and basically everywhere else I can find. Use two different terms to separate a cheese and margarita pizza.

    So this is just a case of Europe is infact wrong. In fact Naples where the pizza style was invented uses the same terms as america.

    The USA copied Naples.

    The UK and much of western Europe. Like normal, is bastardizing what foods are called while the rest of the world just steals the terms from where it's invented.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Italy here: Margherita is the basic pizza, tomato sauce and mozzarella.

    Basil is basically always included in the sauce of normal pizzas.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Basil is basically always included in the sauce of normal pizzas.

    I wish that were the case in the US.

    But also, margherita pizza here usually has whole or chopped basil leaves added directly on top

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    It's such a cheap ingredient, it makes no sense to omit it

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Probably cheap in Italy. In the US if you grow your own basil you don't really want to publicize that cause you'll be labeled as bougie

    And some people won't eat anything that seems too "foreign," like good bread and most spices and herbs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Weird. It's just a plant, takes plenty of sun and water and that's it. I've got two in pots, one even survived the winter, which they usually don't, although I had to fight Noctua caterpillars. (very silent caterpillars? no, not that Noctua)

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    This is a margherita pizza. If a kid asks for cheese pizza and receives that, they'd be upset.

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  • In the US, margherita pizza usually has fresh mozarella and basil

    Cheese pizza is just "plain," meaning just crust, sauce, and cheese. The cheese could be any kind, most often either shredded mozarella or provolone. If it's fancy maybe a blend including hard cheeses like parmesan, romano, fontina, and/or asiago.

    Some absolute heretics actually put cheddar cheese on their pizza. We don't talk to those.

    But yeah, there's a difference here between "cheese pizza" and "margherita pizza"

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago (9 children)

    Why would you ever have a pizza without basil? :o

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Why would anyone have the nerve to eat anything I don't like!?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Do non-americans really not know the difference?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I checked and it looks like American cheese pizza is different from a Margherita. It is more uniformly looking, and it has a dominant cheese flavour without the freshness of the tomatoes and basil.

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  • [–] 1 point 18 hours ago

    Yeah if you ask for Margarita pizza here you get exactly what a margarita pizza is. So the same thing you would expect in Naples. The presentation might change a little bit depending on where exactly you get it, but it's going to be the same ingredients in the same general style.

    A cheese pizza is literally just a f*** load of cheese and nothing else. You're getting literally exactly what you're asking for.

    It's why they're different terms. If you want the original Maple style pizza you ask for margarita. If you want a slab of cheese on top of some bread you ask for a cheese pizza.

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