yetAnotherUser comments on Graphic city of Ottawa jaywalking ad part of a 'behaviour change campaign' on city roads, staff say

Graphic city of Ottawa jaywalking ad part of a 'behaviour change campaign' on city roads, staff say (ottawa.ctvnews.ca)

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"We continually flame road violence as an outcome of personal choices yet we all know very well it's the result of our cities choices," Tom Flood said on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

"This is an unacceptable ad; victim blaming road violence is not the city I believe in," architect Toon Dreessen said.

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Statistics provided by Gonthier shows 25 per cent of all fatal and major injury collisions on Ottawa's roads involve pedestrians. The memo provided data on collisions between 2017 and 2021 on Ottawa roads:

29 per cent of fatal and major injury collisions involving a pedestrian occurred when a pedestrian was crossing a road midblock (away from an intersection)
23 per cent of fatal and major injury collisions involving a pedestrian occurred when a pedestrian with the right-of-way was struck at an intersection by a left turning driver
11 per cent of fatal and major injury collisions involving a pedestrian occurred when a pedestrian who did not have the right-of-way was struck by a vehicle travelling straight through an intersection

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 0 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

How many frail people unable to walk a block are there? Taxis absolutely suffice for your situation, if there is heavy rain or snow fall. In all other weather, they will be able to wheel themselves back home - if they're unable to operate a wheelchair they probably don't need much transport anywhere either.

How are kids going to sport practice? Ever heard of bicycles? Heavy equipment is usually short at the sport facility, everything else fits in a bag. Sure, heavy rain absolutely sucks on a bicycle but wearing a jacket and rain resistant pants is enough for usual amounts of rain. Snow isn't that bad either, as long as the roads are properly salted. And even then, you can drive on icy roads with your bicycle as long as you're careful.

Source: I frequently drove 5km to school and 6km to sports practice as a child. The worst thing was the difference in altitude, not the weather (there were two 12% inclines on either way).

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

How many frail people unable to walk a block are there?

Literally every single person at some point in their lives.

Taxis absolutely suffice for your situation

And guess what taxis need? Roads and infrastructure for cars!!! And we're back to my original point already.

Heavy equipment is usually short at the sport facility, everything else fits in a bag.

Lmao, oh yeah, hockey rinks just have warehouses filled with hundreds and hundreds of hockey bags waiting for their owners /s.

This is simply not true for any sports teams that plays in multiple locations around a city, read: all the competitive ones.

Snow isn't that bad either, as long as the roads are properly salted. And even then, you can drive on icy roads with your bicycle as long as you're careful

This is abelist nonsense.

Congrats on being a fit young person, yeah it's easy for us to get around. That is not the case for all and it's absurd to suggest that cars are not going to be part of our last mile transportation infrastructure.

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[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Literally every person at some point in their life

Indeed. But if they're unable to walk or drive in a wheelchair for a block they will also be unable to do anything after travelling somewhere. Maybe they could enter a drive-thru? That's pretty much it. A car doesn't really change all that much.

[Taxis need] roads and infrastructure for cars

Obviously. Do you think buses and bicycles don't need roads? When did I claim to demolish each and every street?

[No storage]

Yes storage. Most equipment is stored in the sport facility. Soccer teams store the footballs, hockey teams store the rackets etc.
Everything else fits on your back or your bicycle's rack in the back.
In addition, don't all sports teams usually stay at one facility for everything but competitions? If there is a competition guess what's possible: Have a bus pick up the players and their equipment at their home stadium and drive towards where the competition is together.

Ableist nonsense.

Cars are ableist nonsense. Most people with disabilities earn significantly less money than those without and cannot afford a car accomodating them. Then there's countless disabilities preventing you from driving altogether. Legally blind people, people with mental disabilities ranging from epilepsy to trisomy 21 or those with disabilities affecting their upper body's mobility all cannot even get driver's licenses. But sure, this is not ableist in the slightest.

Cars should very much not be used for single digit mile trips. They are a colossal waste of resources, kill tens of thousands of people per year, pollute the air and water with smog and microplastics and are a major cause of climate change. EVs will only reduce the smog, all other issues will persist.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago

Obviously. Do you think buses and bicycles don’t need roads? When did I claim to demolish each and every street?

The comment I responded to that started this whole chain of discussion literally said that you do not need to design cities to accommodate cars.

Then there’s countless disabilities preventing you from driving altogether. Legally blind people, people with mental disabilities ranging from epilepsy to trisomy 21 or those with disabilities affecting their upper body’s mobility all cannot even get driver’s licenses. But sure, this is not ableist in the slightest.

It is not ablest to accommodate a disability, and even the legally blind still use taxis and ubers and rely heavily on cars for last mile transportation infrastructure.

Yes storage. Most equipment is stored in the sport facility. Soccer teams store the footballs, hockey teams store the rackets etc.

Lmao, tell me you've never played sports without saying you've never played sports.

In addition, don’t all sports teams usually stay at one facility for everything but competitions?

Nope. House leagues tend to play at a single location, competitive teams, i.e. select, rep, whatever, play between different locations.

If there is a competition guess what’s possible: Have a bus pick up the players and their equipment at their home stadium and drive towards where the competition is together.

And we need car infrastructure to support the buses and, how are players getting their equipment from their house to their home stadium in the first place?

Should we be using cars far less than we do? Yeah, obviously, but the anti-car crowd makes us all look stupid when they make dumbass ablest claims like we don't need to design cities to accommodate cars.

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