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What I don't understand yet is kbin vs a Lemmy instance. I have an account on kbin, and I understand this post comes from a Lemmy instance. So kbin can view posts from Lemmy instances it's connected to. But my understanding is that I couldn't use a Lemmy client with my kbin login. I'm waiting for a beta invite for #Artemis but even when I have that, it sounds like it wouldn't support Lemmy right away. So do I need to also register on a Lemmy instance? And how would I juggle logins?
So federation is like medieval kingdoms. I am a citizen of Kbin so they know me and give me a token. Now I can use this Kbin token to get to any kingdom that let's me in lemmy.world or beehaw. They don't know me but they know that their buddy earnest at the kingdom of Kbin can vouch for me. So they let me in.
So won't need a login at these other places since I can use my Kbin token. So with a single login can work to talk to any who let's me.
If a site is defederated that means two kingdoms are fighting. So the lemmy.world token won't let you into beehaw because they are defederated.
Hi, I'm participating from kbin.social.
Your account doesn't follow you across different websites, but rather you can see and interact with everything using your own instance as a window. (Except initial growing pains)
Because kbin.social and lemmy.world are federated, my local view of the thread is here
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/124934/Lemmy-is-confusing-and-poorly-limited-How-does-Lemmy-work#comments
And on the other hand there's likely local pages for plenty of magazines (communities) on kbin from your perspective, too
So federation is like medieval kingdoms. I am a citizen of Kbin so they know me and give me a token. Now I can use this Kbin token to get to any kingdom that let's me in lemmy.world or beehaw. They don't know me but they know that their buddy earnest at the kingdom of Kbin can vouch for me. So they let me in.
So won't need a login at these other places since I can use my Kbin token. So with a single login can work to talk to any who let's me.
If a site is defederated that means two kingdoms are fighting. So the lemmy.world token won't let you into beehaw because they are defederated.
Artemis is supposed to support kbin and Lemmy. If it doesn't support Lemmy right away, then it wouldn't help to register on a Lemmy instance, because Artemis still wouldn't support Lemmy.
You're right that you can't sign into a Lemmy instance with your kbin credentials. Each site is it's own site. If something is posted on lemmy.world, it sends a notice to kbin.social and kbin.social fetches the info and publishes it locally on kbin as well. Comments on the kbin post are sent back to lemmy.world. There's basically a copy of the post and comments on every server. Not every server will "know" about every other server though, so content could push across the entire federated network slowly sometimes.
You can build a website using WordPress. You can build a website using Joomla. You can build a website using Drupal. You can even use an RSS plugin to import posts from a Joomla blog into a totally different WordPress blog.
That is, in very simplified terms, what's going ok with kbin and Lemmy. You can build a content aggregator with Lemmy. You can build one with kbin. You can import content from one to another.
But they're different bits of software, and they have different 3rd party compatibilities.
"instance" is just a fancy name for "website". if you have an account on kbin.social you can't login to your kbin.social account on lemmy.world. it's like email. your gmail account can email a yahoo address, but you can't login to your gmail account from yahoo.
Some mobile apps exist to let you login to lemmy sites, but those won't work with your kbin account.
Think of it this way: your Gmail email can send and receive emails from a Hotmail email, but you cannot login in Hotmail with your Gmail account.
since kbin is just lemmy + mastodon it's been my main, but I got a lemmy account to check out the apps.
Kbin combining Mastodon toots and also incorporating a nested-comment discussion like reddit/lemmy makes it superior.
That and lemmy developers are all tankies and openly support shitty political views about human rights violations. Not going to support that crap.
Kbin pleb here. Lemmy appears to be preferred.
I have dealt with tankies on Lemmy.ml
Weird love for daddy stalin and Mao... Obviosly China is helping people with education.... And Russia didn't invade Ukraine, but if it did Ukraine deserved it...
But other wise Lemmy instances don't seem to spill this trash over beyond rogue trolls.
My understanding is Lemmy.ml is devs pet project and they keep there.
I am seeing posts about alt right facist daily on here but I have yet to see anything beyond obscure links when I ask.
Either way, people can have their views and they can express them, rest of us can make up our own minds as long as they are not bad faith trolling or try to derail discussions.
So far, so good for me
There were a bunch of initial shitlords that tried making roads into here a few weeks back, but they were quickly shouted down. A few defederations later and things have been smooth.
As for the Lemmy devs, there are some screenshots of nasty tankie comments floating around, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for now because they have been very involved with keeping things civil and came out publicly against their past statements. I think a bunch of us effectively argued with one of them that letting that shit in during the initial growth in general public instances was a platform-killer (lots of mentions of the "Tolerance of Intolerance Paradox" and the "nazi bar story"). A T_D popped up for an hour or two and was quickly pushed out. They can make their own little microcosm somewhere else.
I've seen a few douchebags pop up here and there, but not enough to worry me. Though, I hear the politics mags might have more trouble than the comment threads I frequent.