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[–] flandish@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (2 children) awww. STOP VOLUNTEERING FOR THE MILITARY. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children) I'm poor and desperate. Whose hiring? System is working as intended. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zbyte64@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago (1 child) The purpose of a system is what it does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Unless it's badly designed, in which case it does everything worse than intended. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Sounds like job security to me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago If you think so then let me tell you about the history of planned obsolescence. permalink fedilink source parent [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca -6 points 15 hours ago* (3 children) So you fucking murder people?? Why join the fucking military if that is your solution, you'd do less harm in the world just stealing what you need. I'm poor and desperate, too, but I'd rather starve to death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago People (and nations in turn) have a right to defend themselves. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jomega@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago I get what you're trying to say, but I just wanted to point out that not every military job is boots on the ground killing people. They also have desk jobs and maintenance people and whatnot. Military bases employ a whole lot of people who will never see combat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago Are you? Starving to death? permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (2 children) "volunteering" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) I'm sorry? Did the draft begin? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago* (1 child) It depends on what you mean. They don't exactly draft Liberian diamond miners either. Poor uneducated Liberians do that because they have to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago (1 child) Holy shit... Did you just equate working in a mine for sustenance to committing war crimes for a placement in the middle class, lifetime benefits, free education, and the expectation of respect and special treatment for the rest of your life? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 point 7 hours ago (1 child) Do you believe that was their point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 14 minutes ago What do you believe was their point? They equated surviving in a mine with moving up in society as a reward for war crimes. What do you think their point was? permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago (2 children) our US military is entirely voluntary, if you exclude the influence by capitalists and gov staff who direct communities to keep its people poor and desperate enough to think they can “win” by joining. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (3 children) Is it really voluntary when you have no other recourse? When the circumstances of your life are so hopeless that is seems like the only option? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca -3 points 15 hours ago* If your options are to murder innocent people or to die, then lie down and get comfortable. But I have a feeling that while you are waiting, other options will occur to you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Work at a gas station or go murder brown people for way more money and paid education? It's a choice, a selfish one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 child) Look, I get what you're saying, and "I was only following orders" is also a choice, and one that you should get rightfully judged for, but let's not pretend like creating circumstances where people find themselves uneducated and without life prospects isn't a big recruitment vector for the military. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago Yeah no shit, the military gives you incentives to be a Nazi, you choosing those incentives knowing you're doing Nazi shit still makes you a Nazi, regardless of how you end up if you don't choose to be a Nazi. What point are you making exactly? We don't have to pretend like they had no other choice... permalink fedilink source parent [–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) You can join the army or join the corps because you can't make it here anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 23 hours ago And they're not making it easier making it here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 23 hours ago* Kind of like conscripting gang bangers and cartel members. Join us, and you'll want for nothing. Terms and conditions apply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children) I'm poor and desperate. Whose hiring? System is working as intended. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zbyte64@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago (1 child) The purpose of a system is what it does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Unless it's badly designed, in which case it does everything worse than intended. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Sounds like job security to me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago If you think so then let me tell you about the history of planned obsolescence. permalink fedilink source parent [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca -6 points 15 hours ago* (3 children) So you fucking murder people?? Why join the fucking military if that is your solution, you'd do less harm in the world just stealing what you need. I'm poor and desperate, too, but I'd rather starve to death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago People (and nations in turn) have a right to defend themselves. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jomega@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago I get what you're trying to say, but I just wanted to point out that not every military job is boots on the ground killing people. They also have desk jobs and maintenance people and whatnot. Military bases employ a whole lot of people who will never see combat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago Are you? Starving to death? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago (1 child) The purpose of a system is what it does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Unless it's badly designed, in which case it does everything worse than intended. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Sounds like job security to me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago If you think so then let me tell you about the history of planned obsolescence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Unless it's badly designed, in which case it does everything worse than intended. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Sounds like job security to me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago If you think so then let me tell you about the history of planned obsolescence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Sounds like job security to me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago If you think so then let me tell you about the history of planned obsolescence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago If you think so then let me tell you about the history of planned obsolescence. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jerkface@lemmy.ca -6 points 15 hours ago* (3 children) So you fucking murder people?? Why join the fucking military if that is your solution, you'd do less harm in the world just stealing what you need. I'm poor and desperate, too, but I'd rather starve to death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago People (and nations in turn) have a right to defend themselves. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jomega@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago I get what you're trying to say, but I just wanted to point out that not every military job is boots on the ground killing people. They also have desk jobs and maintenance people and whatnot. Military bases employ a whole lot of people who will never see combat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago Are you? Starving to death? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago People (and nations in turn) have a right to defend themselves. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jomega@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago I get what you're trying to say, but I just wanted to point out that not every military job is boots on the ground killing people. They also have desk jobs and maintenance people and whatnot. Military bases employ a whole lot of people who will never see combat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago Are you? Starving to death? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (2 children) "volunteering" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) I'm sorry? Did the draft begin? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago* (1 child) It depends on what you mean. They don't exactly draft Liberian diamond miners either. Poor uneducated Liberians do that because they have to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago (1 child) Holy shit... Did you just equate working in a mine for sustenance to committing war crimes for a placement in the middle class, lifetime benefits, free education, and the expectation of respect and special treatment for the rest of your life? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 point 7 hours ago (1 child) Do you believe that was their point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 14 minutes ago What do you believe was their point? They equated surviving in a mine with moving up in society as a reward for war crimes. What do you think their point was? permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago (2 children) our US military is entirely voluntary, if you exclude the influence by capitalists and gov staff who direct communities to keep its people poor and desperate enough to think they can “win” by joining. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (3 children) Is it really voluntary when you have no other recourse? When the circumstances of your life are so hopeless that is seems like the only option? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca -3 points 15 hours ago* If your options are to murder innocent people or to die, then lie down and get comfortable. But I have a feeling that while you are waiting, other options will occur to you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Work at a gas station or go murder brown people for way more money and paid education? It's a choice, a selfish one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 child) Look, I get what you're saying, and "I was only following orders" is also a choice, and one that you should get rightfully judged for, but let's not pretend like creating circumstances where people find themselves uneducated and without life prospects isn't a big recruitment vector for the military. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago Yeah no shit, the military gives you incentives to be a Nazi, you choosing those incentives knowing you're doing Nazi shit still makes you a Nazi, regardless of how you end up if you don't choose to be a Nazi. What point are you making exactly? We don't have to pretend like they had no other choice... permalink fedilink source parent [–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) You can join the army or join the corps because you can't make it here anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 23 hours ago And they're not making it easier making it here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 23 hours ago* Kind of like conscripting gang bangers and cartel members. Join us, and you'll want for nothing. Terms and conditions apply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) I'm sorry? Did the draft begin? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago* (1 child) It depends on what you mean. They don't exactly draft Liberian diamond miners either. Poor uneducated Liberians do that because they have to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago (1 child) Holy shit... Did you just equate working in a mine for sustenance to committing war crimes for a placement in the middle class, lifetime benefits, free education, and the expectation of respect and special treatment for the rest of your life? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 point 7 hours ago (1 child) Do you believe that was their point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 14 minutes ago What do you believe was their point? They equated surviving in a mine with moving up in society as a reward for war crimes. What do you think their point was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago* (1 child) It depends on what you mean. They don't exactly draft Liberian diamond miners either. Poor uneducated Liberians do that because they have to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago (1 child) Holy shit... Did you just equate working in a mine for sustenance to committing war crimes for a placement in the middle class, lifetime benefits, free education, and the expectation of respect and special treatment for the rest of your life? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 point 7 hours ago (1 child) Do you believe that was their point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 14 minutes ago What do you believe was their point? They equated surviving in a mine with moving up in society as a reward for war crimes. What do you think their point was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 3abas@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago (1 child) Holy shit... Did you just equate working in a mine for sustenance to committing war crimes for a placement in the middle class, lifetime benefits, free education, and the expectation of respect and special treatment for the rest of your life? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 point 7 hours ago (1 child) Do you believe that was their point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 14 minutes ago What do you believe was their point? They equated surviving in a mine with moving up in society as a reward for war crimes. What do you think their point was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 point 7 hours ago (1 child) Do you believe that was their point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 14 minutes ago What do you believe was their point? They equated surviving in a mine with moving up in society as a reward for war crimes. What do you think their point was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 14 minutes ago What do you believe was their point? They equated surviving in a mine with moving up in society as a reward for war crimes. What do you think their point was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flandish@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago (2 children) our US military is entirely voluntary, if you exclude the influence by capitalists and gov staff who direct communities to keep its people poor and desperate enough to think they can “win” by joining. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (3 children) Is it really voluntary when you have no other recourse? When the circumstances of your life are so hopeless that is seems like the only option? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca -3 points 15 hours ago* If your options are to murder innocent people or to die, then lie down and get comfortable. But I have a feeling that while you are waiting, other options will occur to you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Work at a gas station or go murder brown people for way more money and paid education? It's a choice, a selfish one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 child) Look, I get what you're saying, and "I was only following orders" is also a choice, and one that you should get rightfully judged for, but let's not pretend like creating circumstances where people find themselves uneducated and without life prospects isn't a big recruitment vector for the military. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago Yeah no shit, the military gives you incentives to be a Nazi, you choosing those incentives knowing you're doing Nazi shit still makes you a Nazi, regardless of how you end up if you don't choose to be a Nazi. What point are you making exactly? We don't have to pretend like they had no other choice... permalink fedilink source parent [–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) You can join the army or join the corps because you can't make it here anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 23 hours ago And they're not making it easier making it here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 23 hours ago* Kind of like conscripting gang bangers and cartel members. Join us, and you'll want for nothing. Terms and conditions apply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (3 children) Is it really voluntary when you have no other recourse? When the circumstances of your life are so hopeless that is seems like the only option? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca -3 points 15 hours ago* If your options are to murder innocent people or to die, then lie down and get comfortable. But I have a feeling that while you are waiting, other options will occur to you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Work at a gas station or go murder brown people for way more money and paid education? It's a choice, a selfish one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 child) Look, I get what you're saying, and "I was only following orders" is also a choice, and one that you should get rightfully judged for, but let's not pretend like creating circumstances where people find themselves uneducated and without life prospects isn't a big recruitment vector for the military. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago Yeah no shit, the military gives you incentives to be a Nazi, you choosing those incentives knowing you're doing Nazi shit still makes you a Nazi, regardless of how you end up if you don't choose to be a Nazi. What point are you making exactly? We don't have to pretend like they had no other choice... permalink fedilink source parent [–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) You can join the army or join the corps because you can't make it here anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 23 hours ago And they're not making it easier making it here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca -3 points 15 hours ago* If your options are to murder innocent people or to die, then lie down and get comfortable. But I have a feeling that while you are waiting, other options will occur to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Work at a gas station or go murder brown people for way more money and paid education? It's a choice, a selfish one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 child) Look, I get what you're saying, and "I was only following orders" is also a choice, and one that you should get rightfully judged for, but let's not pretend like creating circumstances where people find themselves uneducated and without life prospects isn't a big recruitment vector for the military. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago Yeah no shit, the military gives you incentives to be a Nazi, you choosing those incentives knowing you're doing Nazi shit still makes you a Nazi, regardless of how you end up if you don't choose to be a Nazi. What point are you making exactly? We don't have to pretend like they had no other choice... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 child) Look, I get what you're saying, and "I was only following orders" is also a choice, and one that you should get rightfully judged for, but let's not pretend like creating circumstances where people find themselves uneducated and without life prospects isn't a big recruitment vector for the military. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago Yeah no shit, the military gives you incentives to be a Nazi, you choosing those incentives knowing you're doing Nazi shit still makes you a Nazi, regardless of how you end up if you don't choose to be a Nazi. What point are you making exactly? We don't have to pretend like they had no other choice... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 3abas@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago Yeah no shit, the military gives you incentives to be a Nazi, you choosing those incentives knowing you're doing Nazi shit still makes you a Nazi, regardless of how you end up if you don't choose to be a Nazi. What point are you making exactly? We don't have to pretend like they had no other choice... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) You can join the army or join the corps because you can't make it here anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 23 hours ago And they're not making it easier making it here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 23 hours ago And they're not making it easier making it here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 23 hours ago* Kind of like conscripting gang bangers and cartel members. Join us, and you'll want for nothing. Terms and conditions apply. permalink fedilink source parent