▲ 70 ▼ Starfield’s 30fps frame rate is “a choice,” God of War dev says (www.pcgamesn.com) submitted 3 years ago by CaptainArcher@startrek.website to c/gaming@beehaw.org 93 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] m-p-3@kbin.social 34 points 3 years ago (5 children) What irks me is when game developers ties the physics engine to the framerate. We all know this will cause issues down the road, could we just.. not? permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago Not doing it also causes issues in the form of micro stutters when some but not other frames have updated physics or not. Frame pacing is hard, and locking everything down happens to be the only sure-fire way to completely eliminate display issues. But then, of course, you have a locked frame rate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dill@lemmy.one 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) I imagine there is some reason we still see this. Any devs in the Industry lurking? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] larperdoodle@startrek.website 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not in the industry, but I've dabbled in Unity and that's just kind of how it works by default. You create a game object and it gets an Update() function that is called once per frame. You're encouraged to perform calculations and update it's position in that callback. You're supposed to use Time.deltaTime to scale your calculations based on how long it's been since the last frame. But that takes effort and it's very easy to just not do that and your game will still work fine in most cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago Unity also has FixedUpdate which is encouraged to be used for any physics related updates. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hdmikojima@lemmy.kemomimi.fans 3 points 3 years ago They better delivery that "visual fidelity" if you are already capping at 30 fps on a current-gen console. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrivateButts@u.fail 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they fixed this with Fallout 76, so here's hoping that those changes also made its way into their future projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hackitfast@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Assuming that it will be ported to PC then I'm sure they've resolved those issues. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gert@beehaw.org 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) Is this really a thing lately? Maybe on some Switch games, but I think most modern games can have a dynamic framerate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Hubi@feddit.de 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Skyrim famously did this. So the concern that Starfield could have similar issues is not unfounded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 3 years ago One one hand, Skyrim was released in 2011, on the other hand Skyrim was also released in 2022 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Taxxor@feddit.de 2 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Remember Red Dead Redemption 2? On PC, your stats depleted faster the more FPS you had so with 60FPS you'd get hungry twice as fast as with 30FPS. Iirc even the sun moved faster so a day was only half as long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] nutlink@beehaw.org 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cloak@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago How does that work in multiplayer permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago Not doing it also causes issues in the form of micro stutters when some but not other frames have updated physics or not. Frame pacing is hard, and locking everything down happens to be the only sure-fire way to completely eliminate display issues. But then, of course, you have a locked frame rate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dill@lemmy.one 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) I imagine there is some reason we still see this. Any devs in the Industry lurking? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] larperdoodle@startrek.website 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not in the industry, but I've dabbled in Unity and that's just kind of how it works by default. You create a game object and it gets an Update() function that is called once per frame. You're encouraged to perform calculations and update it's position in that callback. You're supposed to use Time.deltaTime to scale your calculations based on how long it's been since the last frame. But that takes effort and it's very easy to just not do that and your game will still work fine in most cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago Unity also has FixedUpdate which is encouraged to be used for any physics related updates. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] larperdoodle@startrek.website 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not in the industry, but I've dabbled in Unity and that's just kind of how it works by default. You create a game object and it gets an Update() function that is called once per frame. You're encouraged to perform calculations and update it's position in that callback. You're supposed to use Time.deltaTime to scale your calculations based on how long it's been since the last frame. But that takes effort and it's very easy to just not do that and your game will still work fine in most cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago Unity also has FixedUpdate which is encouraged to be used for any physics related updates. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skyhighatrist@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago Unity also has FixedUpdate which is encouraged to be used for any physics related updates. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hdmikojima@lemmy.kemomimi.fans 3 points 3 years ago They better delivery that "visual fidelity" if you are already capping at 30 fps on a current-gen console. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PrivateButts@u.fail 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they fixed this with Fallout 76, so here's hoping that those changes also made its way into their future projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hackitfast@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Assuming that it will be ported to PC then I'm sure they've resolved those issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hackitfast@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Assuming that it will be ported to PC then I'm sure they've resolved those issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gert@beehaw.org 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) Is this really a thing lately? Maybe on some Switch games, but I think most modern games can have a dynamic framerate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Hubi@feddit.de 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Skyrim famously did this. So the concern that Starfield could have similar issues is not unfounded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 3 years ago One one hand, Skyrim was released in 2011, on the other hand Skyrim was also released in 2022 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Taxxor@feddit.de 2 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Remember Red Dead Redemption 2? On PC, your stats depleted faster the more FPS you had so with 60FPS you'd get hungry twice as fast as with 30FPS. Iirc even the sun moved faster so a day was only half as long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] nutlink@beehaw.org 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cloak@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago How does that work in multiplayer permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hubi@feddit.de 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Skyrim famously did this. So the concern that Starfield could have similar issues is not unfounded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 3 years ago One one hand, Skyrim was released in 2011, on the other hand Skyrim was also released in 2022 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 3 years ago One one hand, Skyrim was released in 2011, on the other hand Skyrim was also released in 2022 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Taxxor@feddit.de 2 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Remember Red Dead Redemption 2? On PC, your stats depleted faster the more FPS you had so with 60FPS you'd get hungry twice as fast as with 30FPS. Iirc even the sun moved faster so a day was only half as long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] nutlink@beehaw.org 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cloak@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago How does that work in multiplayer permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cloak@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago How does that work in multiplayer permalink fedilink source parent