Like on principle, I know that the writer’s and actor’s guild and union shit is all good. I don’t think all the success from a movie or show should go 100% to the company, but it still feels weird saying that a Hollywood actor is working class.

What do y’all think? Am I just being a dumbass?

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[–] 11 points 1 week ago (1 child)

A-listers are absolutely bourgeois through-and-through and I’m baffled that anyone would consider them proletarian, even labor-aristocrat.

You are a proletarian if your labor-power is assimilated with the mass of the labor power of the proletariat; ie your labor-power is indistinguishable, of the same quality, as any other worker’s labor power. Do you think this applies to Sandra Bullock or Matt Damon?

A-listers have effectively created a new commodity over which they have a total monopoly: their brand, their visage and likeness. It is furthermore backed by laws in the US which prevent unlicensed use of another person’s likeness for profit.

Sandra Bullock made over $70 million from Gravity. It was not earned as a wage paid for labor power. Much of her paycheck came as, effectively, royalties, for the use of her unique brand as Sandra Bullock. She was able to leverage her unique commodity to carve a fraction of the surplus value, not as a proletarian but as a capitalist, in the same way that money capital carves out part of the surplus value as interest.

Furthermore, these very well known actors make a ton of money outside of acting; from endorsements, from real estate, from co-ownership of movie production firms, etc. They are bourgeois!

As some have correctly pointed out, class is about your relation to production. Whether or not someone labors at all does not determine class. Do not the petite bourgeois “labor” to produce their commodity for sale on the market? Does that make them proles? The majority of actors do work for a wage, but this is absolutely not the case for the highly paid ones.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    This is absolutely the right take. Major (A-list or superstar) actors are getting most of their pay from studio ownership, executive producer credits, residuals, licensing, or royalties. That ain't working class.

    I'm fine considering small-time actors (and even many mid-level character actors without any real "leverage") working class, though. I think the replaceability criterion you mentioned is a good heuristic: if an actor could be fired and replaced without it changing the marketing, success, and appeal of the project, that's a sign they may be working class.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    Thanks! I agree although I would make the replaceability concept even stronger, promoting it from heuristic to definition. My reason is that the proletariat is defined by the fact that the commodity they sell is not objectified labor, not a finished commodity, but labor power, the potential to labor. A movie star sells not labor power but a different commodity, their brand. The question of who is proletarian can be simply answered by which commodity they sell. Awoo made the good point that these actors might be called artisans, who sell finished commodities rather than labor power.

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