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Is allowing nudity the only stable solution to the eternal debate on rules about how people can dress? (jlai.lu)
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I'm curious to know if there's any possible rational way to create stable rules, expect just allowing nudity, about this subject without having anyone rightfully complaining that they should be allowed to dress their own body however they want to. Some countries already have a culture of nudist beaches for exemple, so it's already happening in some places. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_where_social_nudity_is_practised

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[–] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nope. Whether nudity is acceptable and whether clothing I don't like is acceptable are two different questions, not two sides of the same coin. In particular the latter seems to be always rooted in xenophobia, which makes it more or less independent of how one feels about the former.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I'm not saying it's too sides of the same coin, more like nudity is a null solution to the problem of setting dressing rules.
    What would be your solution?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    more like nudity is a null solution to the problem of setting dressing rules.

    I understand that, but ultimately the assumption being made here is that arguments about nudity and arguments about, say, hijab are coming from the same place when they're just not. The nudity people and the "clothing I don't like is bad" people are running on fundamentally different logic, so there can be no one response to both. For starters, it's not a coincidence that the latter usually get riled up about Muslims. The solution is to address the relatively uncontroversial subject of nudity as the local community sees fit and address the "hijab (and similar) is bad" problem by getting people to stop being bigots. To repeat, these are two different debates and there's no reason to expect one to apply to the other.

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  • [–] 0 points 23 hours ago*

    They are exactly two sides of the same coin. We just think it's different because we're indoctrinated into thinking so. Just like people in Islamic countries think the question of whether a woman wears a hijab is way different from whether she wears, say, gloves.

    They both were rooted in xenophobia since historically many cultures did not share the same norms around covering body parts as western people did. However, our ethical and fashion norms have been so widely imposed by colonialism that there's hardly any cultures left who do things differently.

    If you read older texts you can see how Europeans saw such cultures. They were widely regarded as animalistic savages. And to the extent that some few indigenous groups still practice their own traditions around body adornment, many people still view them that way today.

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