Omaha police agreed this week to stop carrying gloves that can deliver electric shocks to students in the halls of Nebraska’s largest public school district.

The decision affecting most Omaha middle and high schools came after The Associated Press first revealed Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s plan to give officers the gloves, which are known as G.L.O.V.E.s or Generated Low Output Voltage Emitters. The devices have also been used in recent years by some jails.

Omaha Superintendent Matthew Ray requested that police working in the schools, known as school resource officers, stop using the gloves. Omaha Police agreed.

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[–] 3 points 2 days ago (5 children)

When I was young and trusted police, I wanted them to have taser gloves because it seemed like it would be better than shooting people. Less death. Harder to drop or have stolen. Now... No, I still prefer this to them just shooting people. Both are bad, but I'd rather see fewer people killed by the police and hope we can find a way to reach zero eventually.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    They will still kill. The gloves are just so they can torture people.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    If the police torture you, you have some voice. You can at least try to find justice. If they kill you, you have none. You're dead. The gloves are still better.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    What we have seen with Tasers (the company is Axon now and they are doing Flock camera things too) is that the line didn’t noticeably move. The cops still shoot as much as they want and use tasers mostly for “compliance” and laziness. Giving cops shock gloves won’t lower shootings, they will only increase torture. Thought exercise. Person outside of touch range, gun or gloves? Next scenario: cop turns on gloves, grabs civilian, and starts yelling “stop resisting”.

    Taser/Axon coined the pseudoscientific term “exited delirium” as a cover for cops killing civilians with their tasers. This was cops tasing people for extended periods of time, even after handcuffed, and using tasers when they were not needed.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    This is a very good point. There was a well publicized event in chicago where a kid had a knife and was surrounded by police and their cruisers and was shot. So even with tons of back and a lot of distance and completely surrounding him. They could not coordinate moving forward with a tazer to arrest him rather than shooting him. When he was armed with a knife and a tazer could keep them well out of arms reach.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 days ago (6 children)

    I'd rather police stationed in schools not be armed at all. Uvalde showed it didn't matter for an actual shooting if they were armed. Hell, we don't need cops in schools in the first place.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago

    Out all together. The reason for putting them in was to have an immediate response to a shooter. The actual effect is that students, with a very noticeable racial bias, are getting arrested for things that should be an in school issue. And they are doing same crap that we see cops doing in the streets.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago

    From my experience, the cop in the school is probably the most guilty person. Back when I was in high school, the cop never stopped a single fight or a single theft. He did target the non-white kids, confiscate their weed, and then sell it to the white preppy kids. When the precinct bought a mustang for him (why...) he decided to "showoff" and then went speeding down the middle lane (the turn lane) when school got out but didn't slow down in time so when he got to the corner (tight curve, probably thought the car would magically handle it) he hit sand (it was early spring, so sand due to snow) and lost control, jumped the curb and crashed it into a fence and sat there in shame as students he almost hit drove by. He was just a few cars away from me when it happened, I got to watch it firsthand.

    School was less safe, legitimately, because there was a cop on site.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Uvalde was an absolute shit-show, and it's a travesty of justice that those larping bastards didn't face any criminal consequences for their negligent inaction. The anguish they wreaked by their cowardice on the children and families of that community should be revisited one-hundred-fold every second of their miserable lives.

    That said...

    The School Resource Officer programs are a different animal. A good, effective SRO is a community member of the school. He or she is there to partner with kids, teachers, administrators, and parents. They are there to prevent, de-escalate, and deter. The ones that are good at building rapport with the kids are effective at identifying kids in danger, in trouble, or on a pathway to violence.

    And in the good school systems, the SROs are integral parts of the Behavioral Threat Assessment Teams, making sure that any indicators of violent intent is taken seriously and assessed by a multidisciplinary team following a clinically validated process.

    In a lot of instances, SROs are old-timers awaiting retirement, rookies that think every kid is part of a crime syndicate, a road cop that got stuck on a rotation that couldn't give a shit, or something else besides a decent human being. But in many cases, even some of the shitty ones have intervened and stopped active assailants. And that's a sad reality.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 days ago

    When I got called to the office for breaking some unwritten rule, the principal had the school cop looming over me. My school was a "good" school that excelled at nothing. An aggressively mediocre, middle of the road experience. The school's cop had no presence other then being seen in the mornings or wandering around.

    Maybe instead of having cops in schools, we should be asking ourselves why kids feel like they have nothing left to lose. Why they feel they have no future, no hope, no optimism.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    I wonder if it's a reverse bear-gun-spray situation. Bear spray is more effective than guns against bears because people avoid shooting bears out of empathy. Could police be more likely to go straight to non-lethal pain with gloves?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    Bears are cool. Cops are racist. The few times tasers have been used instead of shooting people is almost certainly outnumbered by the total deaths from taser use. Taser use far exceeds the cases when they would be used in place of a bullet. These gloves aren’t anywhere close to being an alternative to shooting. They are gloves with a range of zero. There will be a short honeymoon before it’s just torture with an extra charge of resisting.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    I remember hearing about at least one study that said yes, (and it should always be remembered tasers are less lethal, not non-lethal) but I didn't look into it that deeply. Still, if it's less people being killed, that still feels like a better result. A living victim of police abuse can speak out. A dead one can be suppressed much more readily.

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