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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 31 points 7 hours ago

Capitalism is the problem, not conservatives alone. Liberals support capitalism and thus the problem.

[-] Wiley_Applebottom@hexbear.net 18 points 7 hours ago

Right? It's a choice of being stabbed in the front or in the back.

[-] echo@lemmy.today -4 points 7 hours ago

Then stick to the problem, maybe? Where it says Liberals it should say Capitalists.

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Where it says Liberals it should say Capitalists.

Nah, liberals are awful in many different ways. Fractally, even. For example, liberals regularly side with fascists against anti-fascists. Liberals diffuse righteous proletarian anger into milquetoast electoral politics. Liberals clutch their pearls at the slightest whiff of change. Liberals don't fucking listen, and are smug to everyone else about their ignorance. Liberals are just as bigoted as conservatives but are too cowardly to be open about it (do not take this as a defense of open bigots like conservatives; it simply makes them an easier enemy to identify). Liberals are just as openly imperialist and settler-colonial as their conservative counterparts. Liberals are capitalist, and any deviations from laissez faire are attempts to save an inherently unstable capitalist system. Both times Trump won, it was because the liberals ran the most rank neoliberal shitheel they could possibly cram down the electorate's throats, i.e. we are in Trump 2.0 because of the Democrats. And that almost fucking happened again with Biden, like Biden barely won relative to the monumental daily public fuckups by the Trump admin, including his ass-backwards response to COVID-19 (from which Biden did not materially depart!) (Not that Biden or Obama were any better on 99.9% of issues; e.g., the Gaza genocide started under Genocide Joe, and Obama is responsible for the deaths of at least hundreds of thousands of civilians during the War On Terror.) I could go on and on and on.

Frankly, AmeriKKKan liberals are fucking monsters from my anarchist eyes. So are conservatives, I know I have to keep saying that because apparently the evilness of AmeriKKKa was always invented just now in the minds of liberals, but oh my God, liberals truly are a monstrous breed too.

And I know we were all liberals at one point, it's the monoculture in AmeriKKKa and other Western countries...all the more reason why socialists of all stripes need to be empathetic to liberals looking for change, but firm in opposition to liberalism.

[-] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Liberals are capitalists, and have joined forces with fascists many times to violently protect capitalism from communists. The fact is, fascism would pose very little danger without liberal enablers. The way root-dwelling cyanobacteria allow plants to grow bigger.

[-] echo@lemmy.today -2 points 4 hours ago

Liberals are capitalists

Some are, some are not.

[-] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 hour ago

There are anticapitalist liberals...?

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 4 points 3 hours ago

The word understander has logged on

[-] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago

I think that as more people lose faith in capitalist reform and are pushed left, there's potential for semantic drift, which is important to address. So just to clear up any miscommunication, liberalism is everything short of "we gotta get rid of capitalism". Once you go over that line, you're not a liberal anymore

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 4 points 4 hours ago

true, some are bonapartists

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 25 points 7 hours ago

Liberals are supporters of capitalism. Capitalists are owners of capital.

[-] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 23 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Liberals are pro capitalism (sometimes with minor treats or reforms for their ingroup). Democrats, Republicans, Social Democrats, Greens etc. all liberals.

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