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[-] Greg@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 days ago

You can't advertise one thing and then just add "nah j/k" in the ToS and think you're off the hook

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The lawsuit tries to claim that the terms of service reinforce this, when in reality, they directly contradict this already-bad-faith interpretation of what Google advertises. "Restrictions apply" is extremely normal for any advertisement and is effective in negating claims of false advertising provided they clarify what a reasonable person could plausibly already assume.

and think you're off the hook

Come back to me when Flemming et al. win this lawsuit. Even a token settlement, come back and rub it in my face. I encourage you, because I won't be wasting the time to keep up with this doomed nonsense.

[-] architect 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

It’s not bad faith. No ads means no ads not no ads* well actually. No reasonable person would expect ads in the middle of their ad free content. Regular people shouldn’t have to know the intricacies of how YouTube creators get paid to understand what ad free means. No ads means no damned ads.

[-] Greg@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago

Ads or promotions may also appear during live events streamed on YouTube, such as sporting events.

I don't have strong opinions but it looks like they're referring to this phrasing in the ToS which suggests ads will only appear in sporting events. That's the ToS connection. But otherwise, they advertise YouTube as an ad free experience which just isn't true.

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Edit: Oh, I see, you meant in the ToS themselves. But it clearly links directly and unambiguously to the 'features' page right at the start of the section.

[-] andyburke@fedia.io 8 points 5 days ago

Can a company market a submarine but then define a submarine as a lamp in their ToS and you'd just be out of luck?

I haven't read the case, but you seem to be coming from a place of "the terms absolve them" when the suit may be more about false advertising?

I am a premium subscriber and don't get a lot of ads, but I have also noticed some UX changes recently that do indeed seem kinda dark pattern/marketing-ish.

I will be mildly watching this hoping for that sweet $2.37 settlement check....

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Can a company market a submarine but then define a submarine as a lamp in their ToS and you'd just be out of luck?

No, because a ToS can't cure an obviously false advertisement, but when looking at what a reasonable consumer would take away from the advertisement, you can see the ToS is clarifying what a reasonable person would already assume – namely that MrBeast, before sending 42 junior high students to fight to the death in a chocolate factory, spending 45 seconds raving about how much he loves to put Hello Kitty-branded capsaicin under his foreskin isn't something that YouTube Premium is going to get rid of.

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Youtube Premium has YouTube remove the ads that they have control over. YouTube only has control of the ads that they add to the uploaded video, on either end or mid-rolls. They do not have control of the video content itself which is where creators add their own sponsorship stuff.

We really want YouTube to have unilateral control to determine what is and isn't an ad, and to remove sponsored advertising that they are not a part of in uploaded content? Something that would also clearly be a conflict of interest as they are an advertising partner.

[-] Akrenion@slrpnk.net 6 points 5 days ago

Forcing them to label adsegements and autoskipping them is possible and protects consumers from shadow ads that are increasingly more common nowadays.

Still that is not what I expect from YouTube premium.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago

Technically the "often skipped" section is the sponsored content.
But I suspect this is fed through user behaviour and not content detection

[-] Akrenion@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago

It's also not mandatory labeling of ads. Which YouTube could force on their creating users and should for consumer protection.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago

And they have tools available to mark the video as "sponsored"

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I don't think anyone want youtube to remove the ads. They just want Youtube to advertise honestly. If it can't remove all ads, don't advertise completely ad-free videos.

[-] captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

If you go to YouTube to watch a commercial (here is an example for Orangina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrkUDm9pnIw), should the whole video be blocked? YouTube provide a video hosting service and they add commercials on top of that.

I find it unreasonable to demand that YouTube essentially remove content from within the video. That would just end back in the EU "protect-the-children"-Chat Control area of the debate. You could have uploaders mark their videos as containing marketing (and perhaps they do) but enforcement would still be difficult given the sheer volume of videos.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I already wrote no one is demanding they remove all ads. But they can't describe premium as "removes all ads".

No one reasonable will demand I sell them the statue of liberty. I can't do that. But I am still not allowed to advertise that I have Statue of Liberty for sale. The issue isn't youtube not removing these ads. The issue is they claimed they would for premium.

[-] captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I always understood "removes all ads" and removing all ads placed in their product by them. With this understanding, I think asking them to remove all ads would mean to in some way enforce uploaders to not have ads in their videos if you are showing them to a premium user.

But I can understand how someone else interprets "removes all ads" as delivering an experience free from all ads of any kind, including those placed in the video by uploaders.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago

That's called content moderation.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Well, it is what it says on the label. Sure, you may have enough knowledge to understand it is impossible, but some people being able to spot a scam doesn't make it less of a scam. And it doesn't mean the people who don't know that much about how youtube works and get scammed should be unable to sue.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

YouTube also provides a pretty handy tool for getting past those. There's a DOT located right where the sponsored section of any YouTube video ends that you can fast forward right to.

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