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[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz -5 points 19 hours ago

What I think is ableist is that you would try to pretend that disabled people don't get excluded due to society devaluing the things they can offer.

It's also ableist for you to suggest that a disabled person should be expected to file someone else's taxes if they need help moving furniture.

You just gave a master class in missing the point.

[-] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 5 points 17 hours ago

The same way it isn't about the couch, it isn't about the taxes

To each according to their means, to each according to their needs was

Or in brocialism terms "Autism be damned my boy can work a grill"

Every metaphor breaks down if you read it at face value

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 hours ago

Okay, that's fine and all, but "brocialism" will never be enough because it depends so strongly on a person's personal connection. It's not "to each accord to their needs" it's "to each according to their connections."

If you don't see how that disproportionally benefits and privileges in-groups then I don't know how much clearer I can break it down for you. A socialist society needs mechanisms in place to take care of those who would be forgotten by "brocialism" alone.

Maybe the system works for autistic people who can grill, but what about autistic people who can spend two hours explaining the history of North Rhine-Westphalia or Star Trek lore or any other special interest? You think someone with a truck will view that as an equivalent exchange?

Mind you, I'm not saying their talents are worthless. I'm telling you my experience as a neurodivergent person that most people view these things as lacking value and will marginalize anyone whose contributions consist exclusively of talents that most people consider worthless.

Assuming every autistic person can grill or contribute something that neurotypical people value as having worth is wrong because it marginalizes those who fall outside of that limited group, and because it reinforces the system and the idea that people need to be able to contribute something deemed valuable before they deserve to receive help.

And if you can't see how that disadvantages the people whose disabilities are the most severe, then I don't know what will get through to you.

[-] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

"to each according to their connections."

Show me one part of humanity's development that did not involve social connection. You, as a human being are part of an unbroken chain of social connections spanning back so far that there isn't even a word for how many generations it is.

Maybe the system works for autistic people who can grill, but what about autistic people who can spend two hours explaining the history of North Rhine-Westphalia or Star Trek lore or any other special interest? You think someone with a truck will view that as an equivalent exchange?

You're still focusing too much on the minutiae of the reference not the meaning behind it, its not about the grilling the same way it's not about the truck, the same way small talk isn't about the weather.

To use your own words

I don’t know how much clearer I can break it down for you

ITS ABOUT MAKING A CONNECTION WITH ANOTHER HUMAN BEING AND DISCOVERING THAT NOT EVERYONE IS A CUNT.

I have fully ND mates, who have special interests that they have built communities around. One of whom was genuinely incapable of spending time out in public without being in full body attack mode after less than an hour is now entirely able to spend an entire day out at a festival AND maintain enough social battery to continue spending time with friends well into the evening. Something they have fully admitted to me would not be possible five years ago.

the idea that people need to be able to contribute something deemed valuable before they deserve to receive help.

Some people enjoy conversation. Some people are bad at using maps. Some people need to be able to speak out their thoughts aloud to even begin to analyse them and require a rubberduck that can ask questions.

"Something deemed valuable" can have many meanings to many people, but you'll never find out what they deem valuable by mentally labelling them as a degenerate that should not be interacted with the second they say something you disagree with.

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