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[-] Crit@lemmy.wtf -4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Something can be both useful and also destructive. Pretty sure people have done the maths and to approach the levels of efficiency that say meat has you'd be consuming a lot more calories. Similarly actual milk is better than soy milk.

This isn't to diss people that make the choice, but your quality of life will be worse, so yes I count that as those meat products being necessary, in spite of the environmental damage. I think there are better ways to fix that. Diversifying the meat industry, lowering food waste, etc. What seems more interesting at the moment is lab grown meat, since it has all the pros with none of the cons, except cost.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

And I'm "pretty sure" that you are talking about what you WISH were true, not what you KNOW is true. Unfortunately, many people in this forum actually know what IS true, and you are so far off the mark, you would be humiliated if you actually grasped it.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Pretty sure people have done the maths and to approach the levels of efficiency that say meat has you'd be consuming a lot more calories.

What does meat's "efficiency" have to do with anything related to caloric intake? If I consume 1000 calories of meat or 1000 calories of vegetables, I've still consumed 1000 calories. I can only assume you mean I would have to eat a larger quantity of vegetables get the same amount of calories, and that's not the argument you think it is when people by and large consume too many calories and don't get enough micronutrients as it is.

but your quality of life will be worse, so yes I count that as those meat products being necessary, in spite of the environmental damage

I'm not even a full vegetarian, but even I know this is just self justification for what you want to do. One of my partners is a vegetarian, and I cut back on like 80-90% of my meat intake and my quality of life (like energy and general physical/mental wellbeing) is the same or better than it was a few years ago.

The only good points you made was about food waste and lab meat, the rest is just cope.

[-] Crit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Sorry my thoughts got lost over multiple messages. I meant to get a similar amount of protein you need to consume more vegan food, especially calorie rich ones, most restaurants that I've seen when they have comparable items the vegan one had way more calories. I'd love to hear more of your experiences with this as someone who's gone through that, do you find it harder to stay in shape?

Also thank you for actually engaging with me on this, the other person was very volatile.

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