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take their money and arrest those responsible (thelemmy.club)

submitted 1 day ago by FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works to c/science_memes@mander.xyz

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[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Industry makes it for consumers to consume.

Consumer choice doesn't enter the equation consumers consuming does.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

Industry makes it under the expectation to turn a profit. Overproduction is common and so is wasteful or pointless production. It doesn't even need to be "consumed" so long as they get paid. The US military constantly blows up "leftover" materials to ensure they get the same budget next year, for example. And most sales are between industries. How efficiently are those industries using all their purchases? Have you ever worked in a restaurant?

If consumer choice doesn't enter the equation then you've proved my point. Focus should be on the system itself that forces emissions as part of core economic activity.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Shell doesn't manufacture, store and blow up excess fuel and oil.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

Shell does manufacture excess fuel and oil. Where else does it come from?

Shell does store fuel and oil including for the US military.

Shell isn't blowing up the "leftover" US military materials sure. Why does that matter here?

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Shell manufactures enough for consumers to buy or for industry to buy so they can produce things and transport them for the consumer to buy.

They don’t just manufacture excess fuel and oil to blow up like your previous comment alluding to.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

Shell manufactures to produce a profit it doesn't care who buys unless it is perceived as maximizing profit. Downstream costumers are companies, militaries, and individuals.

Shell doesn't care whether fuel is considered excess by a military. If excess fuel is used by the military to destroy something Shell manufactured it to do that. I think you're missing the point.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I'll be honest with you I feel like you're too hellbent on inserting 'capitalism bad' into this conversation to ever get the point I'm trying to make.

I don't think there's much point continuing this.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

You're concerned that I'm focusing too much on capitalism in the global GHG discussion where you asked lazy questions to point fingers at consumers? lmao.

I'm not the reason you're not engaging in good faith in this conversation. Gotta get over this habit of blaming others for your personal disinterest.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 1 points 2 hours ago

The narrative you're promoting right now that individuals are blameless because it's all the government/industry/capitalism's fault is not helpful.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 57 minutes ago

The narrative you’re promoting right now that individuals are blameless

I'm gonna write this out a third time and bold something. Let's see if you can pick up on it this time.

Industry that produces commodities for sale in rich Western countries.
Industry, military, and direct individual consumption in rich Western countries.

This was literally the first thing I wrote to you by the way.

because it’s all the government/industry/capitalism’s fault

Actually capitalism is the social system that ties it all together and is inherently part of industrialization, i.e. the production of virtually all excess GHGs we are talking about, and I've explained all of this to a decent degree but you have refused to engage with it even once. Pretending like it isn't the elephant in the room is foolish.