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There is a 3rd choice (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 7 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Jesus was all about becoming ungovernable. He said to stop using money and avoid storehouses so the tax man will have nothing to easily take. To let go of the temples and leaders so they cannot be used as tools of control. To use the laws of the oppressor against them

I don't think Jesus would be generally pro FOSS, because it's primarily funded by and taken advantage of by corporations. He was a revolutionary, he'd probably be going around helping people live outside the system

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I don’t think Jesus would be generally pro FOSS, because it’s primarily funded by and taken advantage of by corporations.

    Geez, Picard Maneuver's comment was bad enough, but you just had to go and twist the knife!

    At least copyleft-licensed (e.g. GPL), as opposed to permissively-licensed (e.g. BSD), Open Source software is about as anti-corporate as it's possible to get. That's why Apple switched from bash to zsh, for example: they wanted to get rid of the copyleft. It's also why stuff like Alpine Linux is a dangerous trend.

    I think Jesus would be very fond of copyleft licensing, as it is specifically designed to withhold control from those who would exploit it and thus keep users ungovernable.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    I know nothing of Alpine linux. What is it that they're doing that would be a dangerous trend?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Alpine Linux swaps out GNU libc, GNU coreutils, and systemd for musl, BusyBox, and OpenRC, which have weaker licensing (MIT, GPLv2-only, and 2-clause BSD respectively, vs. GPLv3+ for the GNU stuff and LGPLv2.1+ for systemd). Part of the reason for it is to be lighter and smaller to be more useful for embedded systems and containers, but it also has the effect of making it more attractive to corporate exploitation.

    In general, the more popular permissively-licensed stuff gets compared to strong-copyleft stuff, the easier it is for corporate bad actors to do things like TiVoize it or go closed-source entirely.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    The software was already corporately exploited. Not much lost here. In fact, I would argue that BSD licensing keeps projects more free of corporate influence if started by hobbyists.

    Corpo forks BSD/Apache/whatever software, doesn't publish source, nerds don't use it and look for the original, the end.

    Corpo forks copyleft software, publishes releases on GutHib with literal zip files in the repo semi annually. Original maintainer gets taunted with "but the corpo one has feature X, the code is free, you should use it". If they don't merge it, they get labeled an egoist and people go use the corporate one. If they do merge it, eventually the entire project gets bloated and barely readable, is held together by @redhat.com patches, and eventually all development is just corporate decisions. There's no escape.

    You know, we are all victims of it ourselves. I am using Firefox rn. There was little to no "conversion" as they started out corporate. They have patches merged from the Tor people for actual privacy, although removed from the settings because "meh, nobody would want that" (sponsors would disapprove). The privacy they are marketing for normies is a list of like 20 domains.

    Yeah uh so we are very private by default, there's no google tracking but if a site loads an ad or a youtube embed there's google tracking, also we block embeds for privacy except specifically youtube.

    It's all corporate decisions. While I don't use the specific variant(s) and didn't observe it, I once saw the Firefox home page on someone else's device. It was football stats followed by "sponsored links". I thought it was Edge for a second.

    And there's no escape. Web pages are no longer actual pages oftentimes, they are fat blobs of 3 language conversions on top of each other targeting only the specific 3 (sometimes 2) big brand web browsers as the backend: Firefox, Chromium and Apple's Webkit fork. They are all corporate. The fat blob generators are also corporate.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    That's why I said generally...copy left is great, I totally support it. But it also has the issue that without corporate donations, it's hard for developers

    Jesus's whole thing was breaking out of the system through community though. Why would he care about most software? He'd probably try to get people off screens to engage more with the people around them

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    He said to stop using money

    "Render unto Caesar" seems to be the opposite. He said to stop owning shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    He said to give up the coin they have and no longer use money between them. To share freely, so that Cesar couldn't extract tax income from them in any way

    When the tax man shows up, you give them whatever they want and leave them frustrated. You return the coins you have to Cesar, and without stockpiles of goods the tax man would have to go house to house collecting random goods. You have no money to take, no grainary to take a portion of

    An empire can't run off taking miscellaneous things from each pantry

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah the concept of coins was still a very political topic at the time. They were a relatively recent invention that completely changed how society interacted

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    ... What? No they weren't

    Anyways, it's not about coins, it's about taxes. Taxes can be collected in the form of currency or in bulk goods

    If you don't have any coins or bulk storage, your community is not economically productive for whoever owns the territory. There's nothing to take

    But infrastructure must me maintained anyways, an empire lives and dies on it's roads

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Jesus was a failed prophet who kept saying heaven will arrive on earth imminently ("this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened"—that generation passed and none of those things he predicted would happen did) and it never did and trashed a temple because of his beliefs and that got him killed by the state. He literally trashed the temple because that was a prophecy he proclaimed and tried to fulfill it. He also said to get into heaven when the world ended was to be good and not to be rich so he was quite the populist in that respect.

    If he were alive today he'd be a youtuber talking about UFOs and aliens coming to save humanity because they hate nukes and saying that all we have to do is be good people to have the aliens save us. And he probably uses open source software too.

    Learning about the bible made me the agnostic I am today haha, but I wont go as far to say that there is nothing beyond death. I have no idea where humans get consciousness from and why Im not living my life as an ant and am instead living as a human being in the 2026th year of our lord

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