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Just a reminder (thelemmy.club)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/16451158

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[–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ok. So things are working perfectly then with the upshot being Trump gots elected, and so we'll probably never get reasonably fair election again? And we've already destroyed our global alliances, started unnecessary wars, sent the economy to hell, put corruption off the charts ... and that's just perfect.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    You wanted to have a discussion about the influence of criticism in the elections. I yielded concessions to your point of view to make an important point about what you are advocating for. This is your reply?

    Why do I even bother? You didn't respond to a single thing I said.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Sorry. I'm just very frustrated. You are right in concept, but nonetheless we've ended up with Trump. So is it really right? Should we have 'played the game' and pushed all out for the better candidate and ignored the deficiencies to do anything to convince enough people to vote against Trump? I don't know. But we're fucked now.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    I think our biggest difference in opinion is that you seem to think Trump brought fascism to America. Would that be fair to say?

    I can understand that belief. But, I don't blame Trump solely for the rise in fascism. He didn't bring it. We are talking about a country that had an apartheid state of white supremacy when many of the representatives in office today were already grown adults.

    White supremacy is a fundamental part of the American political system. If you always analyze your politicals based on an single election between two presidential candidates then what you are saying makes sense in a vacuum.

    But, that is not how we got Trump. We didn't get Trump just because he won the election in 2016. If Trump died from a heart attack in 2013 we very much would have gotten the same dominant Republican party. The Republican party and it's tea party was ripe for the conditions of a politician like Trump. Roe V. Wade would have still been overturned. ICE would have still been expanded.

    The Democratic party has been running on "lesser evil" campaigns since they lost to Reagan and abandoned the working class party of FDR.

    Trump is leading fascism in America. He didn't create it though.

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