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Just a reminder (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Perhaps you don't understand what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to insult the past. I'm saying that the Republicans cannot be an accelerant towards our starting point. The USA has always been an ultraviolent blood-soaked fascist Christian-White-Supremacist mass murdering rapacious child-kidnapping torture paradise for the rich and depraved. It's never not been that. The Republicans aren't accelerating anything except the inevitable end of your fantasy that middle class white Americans and those who assimilate to be like them would have comfortable lives that were distant from the material and moral consequences of the empire.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I understand what you're trying to say. I have the presence of mind to realize the progress that was made since the 60s. I have the presence of mind to also realize it wasn't founded as a christ state as you so pretend too, even if the rest is certainly true. It has been things other than that, and we worked very hard to make it that way, trump is trying to tear it back down again.

    I'm by no means saying the USA is good. But in all politeness, if you're saying that about the usa I hope you have the presence of mind to realize that china and Europe were founded on the same, and Europe has demonstrably changed for the better. Being bad is a spectrum.

    I'm saying that the Republicans cannot be an accelerant towards our starting point.

    I can tell you failed math class by this alone. Just as an aside.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I have the presence of mind to realize the progress that was made since the 60s.

    You mean the power elite changed the words the used and created new assimilation paths? Do you have the presence of mind to understand that since the 60s prison populations have fucking ballooned beyond comparison and between prison and parole not a single country today or in the past even comes close to the police state we have in the US? "We worked hard" the fuck you did. Black people got violent and they got beaten and then to stop a revolution the power elite made some performative concessions while exerting their fascistic power doubly so. You didn't work hard. You just take credit for it.

    But in all politeness, if you’re saying that about the usa I hope you have the presence of mind to realize that china and Europe were founded on the same

    Ok, the USA is literally a European project. Of course they were founded on the same, they ARE the same. Europe hasn't demonstrably changed for the better. They are literally doing everything they can to keep brown people down and out. They rely on the USA as the their attack dog. It's the same historical process. Europe only gets to look gentle because they pretend the USA isn't an extension of Europe because some English merchants decided to declare independence. China, on the other hand, was not founded on anything even close to what the European world order was founded on. China didn't dominate 80% of the globe. China didn't commit genocide on 4 continents. China didn't built a trans-oceanic slave trade. You're projecting the sins of your fathers onto the entire world as though that absolves you instead of demonstrating that you don't understand history and what your part in it is.

    Being bad is a spectrum.

    Still talking in grade school terms. No one cares who is "bad" and who is "good". Until you engage with the real world as an adult who understand things like systems, sustainability, and reaction, you're going to find childish moral framings to be a real impediment to understanding what's actually going on and what to do about it.

    I can tell you failed math class by this alone. Just as an aside.

    That's only because you failed history. You seem to think we somehow made progress away from the white supremacist christian nationalist patriarchal genocidal mass murdering child-raping history of the country. You failed history. You don't understand that we've been in genocidal wars for 97% of the country's existence. You don't understand that we've been torturing and kidnapping and mass murdering since long before 1776 and every single decade since. The Republicans aren't dragging us back to anywhere. They're demolishing the farcical progressive veneer that sits on top of the monster. They're taking the lipstick off the pig.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's hard to take you seriously if you think that civil rights isn't a step forward.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    That's not what I said. I said that progress of the civil rights era, which by the way was a bi-partisan project and not limited to the Ds, was met almost immediately with a bi-partisan effort to undermine those same civil rights through other means, like racialized mass incarceration, the war on drugs, and racialized means testing.

    Civil rights was example of how you push both parties - you make it impossible for them to ignore you. Note that black people had abysmal voter turnout in the years immediately preceding the passage of the Civil Rights act. It was something like 7% - 25% turnout depending on the state. Clearly the progress they made was not because they voted in primaries. The same is true of Women's Suffrage. How do you think women got the right to vote when they couldn't vote in primaries or general elections?

    That's how progress has always been made in this country, and voting for the lesser evil is always has progress is lost. It was the Ds and Rs working together that undermined it. Hell, before civil rights it was FDR (D) that created the system of racialized red lining. The Democrats under the Nixon administration were co-architects of the war on drugs. A couple of admins later, Joe Biden (D) would architect the crime bill and the Ds would openly triangulate to court racists most notably by crowing about (black) super predators.

    Yes, Black people forced the political establishment to take a step forward, but not with voting. And the process of backsliding has been a bi-partisan effort for over 50 years.

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