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Nobody complained though...
(thelemmy.club)
Context: Admiral Patrick replied and included this gem:
And might I add that not one person complained until db0 went internet Karen with his hissy fit because I took his toy away from him.
"Not one person complained about my explicitly obfuscated blacklists! Damn internet Karens making a big deal!"
I really appreciate the statement. I don't agree with the action and think they are stupid and dangerous for the Threadiverse, as a frontend shouldn't decide what the user sees, the instance administration is the one to decide. If an instance want to go beehaw, to build a peaceful place and attract Normie's, that is great. But it's not for a frontend developer to decide. If the block list and block policy would have been communicated very prominent for everybody to check out, fine. But this is just stupid.
And by the way, I wholeheartedly agree with a lot of OPs opinions. The Threadiverse is toxic on many occasions. Instances like Lemmy.ml and dbzero are problematic and probably partly responsible for the Threadiverse not to grow. But again, it's the instance administration who should decide what the user to see. It is just not understandable for the user to have multiple levels of administrators.
You've got it backwards. Its the heavy handed administrative approach which stalled out growth in the fediverse. Not users you find personally annoying.
Fediverse growth is stalled for the same reason every alternative stalls: there's no one here, so there's no reason to join. Add on that there's no way for content factories to recoup the costs of content creation, no way to ensure their work reaches maximum eyeballs, and you pretty much guarantee a niche platform.
It''s the whole reason I'm here. I'm not interested in bullshit engagement-bait or people competing for imaginary internet points. Administration is going to do whatever administration wants, but if they're open and explicit about it, I can shop around for an instance that fits me. If they obfuscate their heavy handed administration, then I might as well go back to the algorithm.
I've watched the consequences and damage which admin and mods have caused. They view the fediverse or their subs as theirs to control, case in point.
Who knows, right now the small size may actually be a straight up benefit. Yes, there is almost no content compared to Reddit. But we're also so small still that it's not particularly worthwhile to have bots going here compared to Reddit. So there is a much higher percentage of actual human interaction here. The other place is almost all bots now, it's actually unbelievable.
So what's your solution? Because we can't just have less moderation and administration without something to replace it. If you want to move it to the frontend, then at least make it opt in and tell people (except spam)
Like in the bluesky model (atproto) you can pick and choose between appview, clients, moderation lists, etc. You can even bypass your current appview (frontend server) to fetch directly from a user's host or from another index (appview or relay)
You're also ignoring that there are many different types of users, and that lurkers drastically outnumber active posters. You lose a few active users from strict moderation, and you lose masses of lurkers from obnoxious users flooding every thread. And you get new active users from lurkers.
There is nothing to be solved? Or rather nothing to be solved in regard to silencing voices.
Don't like someone's opinion? Get into arguments with strangers online about it. Change their minds. Or don't. That's up to you. But structural silencing and obscuring of voices and communities isnt the way.
The real issue here is accountability and that we do need a solution for. And the answer is already in the fediverse, I. That we need to have a democratic approach to moderation and to some extent administration.
Take for example what happened recently with @PugJesus@piefed.social. Real permanent damage was done to our community and there will be no accountability on the parts of the admins who made those decisions.
Block the users, communities, and instances that cause problems for you. Continue on with your life and enjoy things. Maybe even touch some grass from time to time.
If nobody offers a default filtered experience then most people will refuse to join.
Maybe you should try your own advice.
If people wanted the "experience for adults" they'd be on 4chan already! There's already places to go for that! And they aren't going there because they don't want it!
So when others create moderated spaces, don't get mad that others want something nicer.
uh oh, someone's got a stinky diaper! oh wait I'm on blahaj.zone so I'M toxic! quick, shadow-block me on your frontend instead of using the built-in moderation tools or picking an instance that would block me!
He WAS doing that, he had his own instance and instance blocklist. Which was fine, if he wanted to block half the Threadiverse from his instance that was his prerogative. But then he decided to take it one step further and try to push his blocklist on as many people as possible.
If you want to offer a default filtered experience, you do that at the instance level, not as a frontend dev.
And you absolutely do not do that in secret, deliberately not informing users of the 'filtered experience' they're signing up for and disguising the filtering as technical failures.
If you want to start a Lemmy instance for centrist normies that blocks its users from all the 'extreme' stuff (and you are transparent to those users about what you're blocking and why), that's perfectly fine. Go ahead. I don't think your "I'll decide what should be censored for you" approach will be as popular as you think, but there's no reason not to try it.
I already do. Regularly. Which is why I recommend it. What, are you suggesting I should block you or something? Honey, you're not nearly annoying enough to block. Not yet, anyway.
Just to be VERY clear, I do not defend hiding the moderation choices, especially not in places where they aren't expected!
But the statement I responded to was about wanting less moderation than the current default. That's the only thing I talked about there. Users should have a CHOICE and that includes an informed choice in degree of filtering
This should also have been obvious from my prior reply just one step up!