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Centrist Democrats Rebuke Party’s Left Wing: ‘We Are Capitalist, Not Socialist’ (www.nytimes.com)
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[–] -2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

They should claim to be liberals. Capitalism is a statement that Marx invented because he knew it was a losing battle to be against the freedom of classical liberalism. Since them capitalism has been made useful in economics in the same way spherical cows are useful in physics. However capitalism as most countries practice it is a result of liberalism not a goal in itself.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Just because Marx gave a name to "an ownership class that undercompensates labor and pockets the spoils" doesn't mean that condition didn't or doesn't exist.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Marx is one of a long string of 'experts' that don't value work that isn't obviously the result of working with hands. Mind work is very important

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    You are deeply misinformed or perhaps intentionally misleading re: your characterization of Marx's ideas. Marx's theories on mental labor appear in his earliest works, and continue through his later, more developed ones:

    labour-power or capacity for labour is to be understood the aggregate of those mental and physical capabilities existing in a human being, which he exercises whenever he produces a use-value of any description.

    Capital V1, chapter 6 -- where Marx defines labor power

    Your characterization of Marx's ideas, that he is creating artificial divisions between different kinds of labor, is in fact a tendency of capitalism that Marx identified and criticized at great length.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Marx did not invent the term "Capitalism." It did originate with critics like Proudhon, who Marx was also critical of.

    Is "liberalism" the primacy of private property relations in society? Many progressive liberals (including many in this comment thread, apparently) would disagree with you, while many Marxists would agree with you

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