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A woman drives with both hands on the wheel. Her phone sits face-down on her lap. No officer pulls her over. No lights flash. Weeks later, a $1,251 ticket arrives in the mail. The evidence: a single frame from a Camera surveillance app. The charge: phone use while driving.

Automated camera companies market their devices as automated license plate readers — tools for catching stolen cars, flagging warrants, and aiding serious investigations.

Sold as a Crime Tool. Used as a Fine Machine.

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[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm not American myself, but phone use cameras can't work without being constantly on. Speeding cameras flash when speeding is detected, red light cameras too. Phone detection requires AI so it's gonna be a constant video stream. Everyone's going to be recorded 24/7 and it doesn't matter if you're driving, cycling or walking. Who says how long the data is being kept and where it's going?

I tend to think that having speeding cameras in crucial spots is necessary (in some places they straight up exist to collect funds though) and a busy or dangerous intersection absolutely merits a red light camera... But I don't want phone detection cameras purely because of how invasive it is.

[-] Zagorath@quokk.au -1 points 2 days ago

Who says how long the data is being kept and where it’s going?

The government says. They're the ones operating the cameras. Absolutely, they should not be used for any other purpose than their stated one. No video saved, only still frames kept long enough for the AI to make a determination, and kept longer if that determination is that there was a phone detected, so the photo can be used as evidence.

But in that situation, where the government is operating it in accordance with security and privacy best practice, the safety benefits far outweigh any theoretical downsides. This is not some theoretical. Over 1000 people die every year in Australia on our roads. Approximately 16% of serious car crashes are linked to mobile phone use.

We need to stop treating driving like a sacred right, and start treating it like what it is: an incredibly dangerous activity in need of heavy regulation.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago

Uh why do you think that the private companies running the service are just going to do what they're told? For that matter, what makes you think the government itself wants a privacy-first solution? It's better to keep data indefinitely in case you need it in the future.

[-] Zagorath@quokk.au 2 points 1 day ago

The law. It's a legal requirement. I don't have an insane paranoia.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Uhhhh

The article is about the US where cops are using ALPRs to track their exes

You REALLY sure people's data is going to be kept safe there?

Good for you if Australia's government isn't into spying. I personally don't trust a single government to have 24/7 recording video cameras everywhere.

[-] Zagorath@quokk.au 1 points 19 hours ago

The article is about the US

The headline is about an event that took place in Australia. The article is just a crap one all around.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 16 hours ago

Ah fun, I didn't even know about that since the original ticket's location is never mentioned.

Well I'm still with the Americans on them not wanting it there. I don't want it here either. Knowing the EU and my own country in particular, they'll commission a big American tech company to provide it as a service. Maybe Palantir will start offering them lol

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