▲ 54 ▼ Two trailers in a week... they do know Starship is an option now, right? (thelemmy.club) submitted 3 months ago by threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works [M] to c/spaceflightmemes@sh.itjust.works 39 comments fedilink hide all child comments Credit: u/hidblyzruled
[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 months ago (7 children) How many flights have landed intact? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago (4 children) I know this probably isnt a question made in good fait but eh, why not Both impossible to know exactly (cant exactly inspect a rocket midair) and at least partly irrelevant Unlike with the shuttle with which they wanted use even he enterprise operationaly , spacex never internded for any of the vehicles so far to be anything other then test articles Theyve quite litteraly just... not put any heatshielding on some parts on some flights to see how well they survive (these flights have survived suprisingly well) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Lithobraking doesn't count as landing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) If everything that can be done safely without going over the entirety of america isnt enough for you then you gotta wait for them to actualy be able to try in the first place (ie faa permission, so 2 to 3 good flights) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) ...Safely? How many launch pads have been destroyed? How much scrap metal, leftover fuel and mystery materials used in the heatshielding have ended up being dumped into the ocean with every test? All for some pedo trillionaire's ego trip. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago* How many launch pads have been destroyed? Due to spacex's starship? Zero currently I have to ask This is at the second time, maybe no3 , someone has "asked" this as if its a gotcha Where did you get that impression? How much scrap metal, leftover fuel and mystery materials used in the heatshielding have ended up being dumped into the ocean with every test? Gonna be honest In the grand scheme of things , just... not much The total empty mass(so no fuel or payload) is roughly estimated in the lower-mid to mid hundreds of tons of mostly just steel, by some definitions a vessal with such displacement may not even qualify as a ship For the propellants? Decent chunck is just liquid oxygen, the rest is methane . By the time a landing can even be attempted most would have been used already and its just methane Rockets useing UDMH and NTO are still in use (and have hit a village already , thats why the faa is being carefull and america builds launch complexs on the coast. Flying over land just has that inherant danger if something goes wrong, noone wants rockets falling into villages) While i cant say much on the heatshielding i doubt it matters much , its just too little and i highly doubt its that dangerus considering noone seems to have issues with people collecting it, not only wouldnt it be inline with any other heatshield i know of haveing been used, if it was i would expect it to be plastered everywhere after flight 1 Rockets overall just dont matter The admiral kuznetsov alone probably has a bigger impact from just staying in port (its engines are fucked due to haveing to be always on to supply it with power and it runs on goddamn mazut) Frankly this could easly be reconstructed to support starship All but 1 (thats also under development at a significantly earlier stage then starship, gonna guess they also will have some test flights without the expectation of landing) other rockets do 2 out of 3 of these points and dont have any plans to stop permalink fedilink source parent [–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) None. But they haven't tried to catch the ship yet, so this is to be expected. The first ship catch attempt could be as early as Flight 14 sometime in August. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago So how many have ended up as piles of scrap metal and how much fuel have they used to launch those piles of scrap metal? And has anyone noticed it's getting warmer these days for some completely unknown reason? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago (4 children) I know this probably isnt a question made in good fait but eh, why not Both impossible to know exactly (cant exactly inspect a rocket midair) and at least partly irrelevant Unlike with the shuttle with which they wanted use even he enterprise operationaly , spacex never internded for any of the vehicles so far to be anything other then test articles Theyve quite litteraly just... not put any heatshielding on some parts on some flights to see how well they survive (these flights have survived suprisingly well) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Lithobraking doesn't count as landing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) If everything that can be done safely without going over the entirety of america isnt enough for you then you gotta wait for them to actualy be able to try in the first place (ie faa permission, so 2 to 3 good flights) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) ...Safely? How many launch pads have been destroyed? How much scrap metal, leftover fuel and mystery materials used in the heatshielding have ended up being dumped into the ocean with every test? All for some pedo trillionaire's ego trip. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago* How many launch pads have been destroyed? Due to spacex's starship? Zero currently I have to ask This is at the second time, maybe no3 , someone has "asked" this as if its a gotcha Where did you get that impression? How much scrap metal, leftover fuel and mystery materials used in the heatshielding have ended up being dumped into the ocean with every test? Gonna be honest In the grand scheme of things , just... not much The total empty mass(so no fuel or payload) is roughly estimated in the lower-mid to mid hundreds of tons of mostly just steel, by some definitions a vessal with such displacement may not even qualify as a ship For the propellants? Decent chunck is just liquid oxygen, the rest is methane . By the time a landing can even be attempted most would have been used already and its just methane Rockets useing UDMH and NTO are still in use (and have hit a village already , thats why the faa is being carefull and america builds launch complexs on the coast. Flying over land just has that inherant danger if something goes wrong, noone wants rockets falling into villages) While i cant say much on the heatshielding i doubt it matters much , its just too little and i highly doubt its that dangerus considering noone seems to have issues with people collecting it, not only wouldnt it be inline with any other heatshield i know of haveing been used, if it was i would expect it to be plastered everywhere after flight 1 Rockets overall just dont matter The admiral kuznetsov alone probably has a bigger impact from just staying in port (its engines are fucked due to haveing to be always on to supply it with power and it runs on goddamn mazut) Frankly this could easly be reconstructed to support starship All but 1 (thats also under development at a significantly earlier stage then starship, gonna guess they also will have some test flights without the expectation of landing) other rockets do 2 out of 3 of these points and dont have any plans to stop permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Lithobraking doesn't count as landing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) If everything that can be done safely without going over the entirety of america isnt enough for you then you gotta wait for them to actualy be able to try in the first place (ie faa permission, so 2 to 3 good flights) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) ...Safely? How many launch pads have been destroyed? How much scrap metal, leftover fuel and mystery materials used in the heatshielding have ended up being dumped into the ocean with every test? All for some pedo trillionaire's ego trip. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago* How many launch pads have been destroyed? Due to spacex's starship? Zero currently I have to ask This is at the second time, maybe no3 , someone has "asked" this as if its a gotcha Where did you get that impression? How much scrap metal, leftover fuel and mystery materials used in the heatshielding have ended up being dumped into the ocean with every test? Gonna be honest In the grand scheme of things , just... not much The total empty mass(so no fuel or payload) is roughly estimated in the lower-mid to mid hundreds of tons of mostly just steel, by some definitions a vessal with such displacement may not even qualify as a ship For the propellants? Decent chunck is just liquid oxygen, the rest is methane . By the time a landing can even be attempted most would have been used already and its just methane Rockets useing UDMH and NTO are still in use (and have hit a village already , thats why the faa is being carefull and america builds launch complexs on the coast. Flying over land just has that inherant danger if something goes wrong, noone wants rockets falling into villages) While i cant say much on the heatshielding i doubt it matters much , its just too little and i highly doubt its that dangerus considering noone seems to have issues with people collecting it, not only wouldnt it be inline with any other heatshield i know of haveing been used, if it was i would expect it to be plastered everywhere after flight 1 Rockets overall just dont matter The admiral kuznetsov alone probably has a bigger impact from just staying in port (its engines are fucked due to haveing to be always on to supply it with power and it runs on goddamn mazut) Frankly this could easly be reconstructed to support starship All but 1 (thats also under development at a significantly earlier stage then starship, gonna guess they also will have some test flights without the expectation of landing) other rockets do 2 out of 3 of these points and dont have any plans to stop permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) If everything that can be done safely without going over the entirety of america isnt enough for you then you gotta wait for them to actualy be able to try in the first place (ie faa permission, so 2 to 3 good flights) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) ...Safely? How many launch pads have been destroyed? How much scrap metal, leftover fuel and mystery materials used in the heatshielding have ended up being dumped into the ocean with every test? All for some pedo trillionaire's ego trip. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago* How many launch pads have been destroyed? Due to spacex's starship? Zero currently I have to ask This is at the second time, maybe no3 , someone has "asked" this as if its a gotcha Where did you get that impression? How much scrap metal, leftover fuel and mystery materials used in the heatshielding have ended up being dumped into the ocean with every test? Gonna be honest In the grand scheme of things , just... not much The total empty mass(so no fuel or payload) is roughly estimated in the lower-mid to mid hundreds of tons of mostly just steel, by some definitions a vessal with such displacement may not even qualify as a ship For the propellants? Decent chunck is just liquid oxygen, the rest is methane . By the time a landing can even be attempted most would have been used already and its just methane Rockets useing UDMH and NTO are still in use (and have hit a village already , thats why the faa is being carefull and america builds launch complexs on the coast. Flying over land just has that inherant danger if something goes wrong, noone wants rockets falling into villages) While i cant say much on the heatshielding i doubt it matters much , its just too little and i highly doubt its that dangerus considering noone seems to have issues with people collecting it, not only wouldnt it be inline with any other heatshield i know of haveing been used, if it was i would expect it to be plastered everywhere after flight 1 Rockets overall just dont matter The admiral kuznetsov alone probably has a bigger impact from just staying in port (its engines are fucked due to haveing to be always on to supply it with power and it runs on goddamn mazut) Frankly this could easly be reconstructed to support starship All but 1 (thats also under development at a significantly earlier stage then starship, gonna guess they also will have some test flights without the expectation of landing) other rockets do 2 out of 3 of these points and dont have any plans to stop permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) ...Safely? How many launch pads have been destroyed? How much scrap metal, leftover fuel and mystery materials used in the heatshielding have ended up being dumped into the ocean with every test? All for some pedo trillionaire's ego trip. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago* How many launch pads have been destroyed? Due to spacex's starship? Zero currently I have to ask This is at the second time, maybe no3 , someone has "asked" this as if its a gotcha Where did you get that impression? How much scrap metal, leftover fuel and mystery materials used in the heatshielding have ended up being dumped into the ocean with every test? Gonna be honest In the grand scheme of things , just... not much The total empty mass(so no fuel or payload) is roughly estimated in the lower-mid to mid hundreds of tons of mostly just steel, by some definitions a vessal with such displacement may not even qualify as a ship For the propellants? Decent chunck is just liquid oxygen, the rest is methane . By the time a landing can even be attempted most would have been used already and its just methane Rockets useing UDMH and NTO are still in use (and have hit a village already , thats why the faa is being carefull and america builds launch complexs on the coast. Flying over land just has that inherant danger if something goes wrong, noone wants rockets falling into villages) While i cant say much on the heatshielding i doubt it matters much , its just too little and i highly doubt its that dangerus considering noone seems to have issues with people collecting it, not only wouldnt it be inline with any other heatshield i know of haveing been used, if it was i would expect it to be plastered everywhere after flight 1 Rockets overall just dont matter The admiral kuznetsov alone probably has a bigger impact from just staying in port (its engines are fucked due to haveing to be always on to supply it with power and it runs on goddamn mazut) Frankly this could easly be reconstructed to support starship All but 1 (thats also under development at a significantly earlier stage then starship, gonna guess they also will have some test flights without the expectation of landing) other rockets do 2 out of 3 of these points and dont have any plans to stop permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago* How many launch pads have been destroyed? Due to spacex's starship? Zero currently I have to ask This is at the second time, maybe no3 , someone has "asked" this as if its a gotcha Where did you get that impression? How much scrap metal, leftover fuel and mystery materials used in the heatshielding have ended up being dumped into the ocean with every test? Gonna be honest In the grand scheme of things , just... not much The total empty mass(so no fuel or payload) is roughly estimated in the lower-mid to mid hundreds of tons of mostly just steel, by some definitions a vessal with such displacement may not even qualify as a ship For the propellants? Decent chunck is just liquid oxygen, the rest is methane . By the time a landing can even be attempted most would have been used already and its just methane Rockets useing UDMH and NTO are still in use (and have hit a village already , thats why the faa is being carefull and america builds launch complexs on the coast. Flying over land just has that inherant danger if something goes wrong, noone wants rockets falling into villages) While i cant say much on the heatshielding i doubt it matters much , its just too little and i highly doubt its that dangerus considering noone seems to have issues with people collecting it, not only wouldnt it be inline with any other heatshield i know of haveing been used, if it was i would expect it to be plastered everywhere after flight 1 Rockets overall just dont matter The admiral kuznetsov alone probably has a bigger impact from just staying in port (its engines are fucked due to haveing to be always on to supply it with power and it runs on goddamn mazut) Frankly this could easly be reconstructed to support starship All but 1 (thats also under development at a significantly earlier stage then starship, gonna guess they also will have some test flights without the expectation of landing) other rockets do 2 out of 3 of these points and dont have any plans to stop permalink fedilink source parent
[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) None. But they haven't tried to catch the ship yet, so this is to be expected. The first ship catch attempt could be as early as Flight 14 sometime in August. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago So how many have ended up as piles of scrap metal and how much fuel have they used to launch those piles of scrap metal? And has anyone noticed it's getting warmer these days for some completely unknown reason? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 months ago So how many have ended up as piles of scrap metal and how much fuel have they used to launch those piles of scrap metal? And has anyone noticed it's getting warmer these days for some completely unknown reason? permalink fedilink source parent