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Fair PlayStation : Sony is Facing a Lawsuit Seeking More Than €400 Million in Damages on Behalf of 1.7 Million Players Over The So-Called “Sony tax", Following PlayStation Physical Discs Announcement (www.massaschadeconsument.nl)
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cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/tech/p/1248556/fair-playstation-sony-is-facing-a-lawsuit-seeking-more-than-eur400-million-in-damages-on

Lucia Melcherts, chair of Stichting Massaschade & Consument statement:

The end of physical discs removes the last place where a PlayStation game could still be bought and sold at a competitive price. No discs means no second-hand market and no alternative to the PlayStation Store, so from 2028, Sony alone decides what a game costs and even how long you are allowed to use it. That is exactly the harm our Fair PlayStation claim is about: a price can never be fair when the buyer is left with no ownership and no alternative.

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[–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Regulation is the answer not voting with your wallet which never works and does absolutely nothing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Not voting with your wallet doesn't work? Someone aught to tell Disney that after many people ended their Hulu and Disney+ subscriptions once Kimmel was fired.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Regulation is the answer, full stop.

    Whataboutism isn't saving your argument.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don't disagree that there needs to be regulation. I fully agree there needs to be regulation. Companies can and will fuck customers over with little to no concern. See for example the enshitification of pretty much everything.

    All I am saying is that there are times when voting with your wallet has successfully bullied companies into complying with the will of the people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    This is true, there are some very very rare occasions where that has worked, but I do not see that Sony or anyone else intent on ripping away the secondary market for games is going to do anything unless they are forced to do so by some strong regulations which dictate that consumers have a right to either physical copies of games they buy, or some alternative method.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    They didn’t regulate it for music. They didn’t regulate it for movies. You lost that fight when you didn’t fight for the other industries.

    (Strong regulations with carve outs for- mobile, indie, online games etc etc… or you kill small developers)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Even if it is an answer, is your suggestion to wait for a theoretical solution that hasn't appeared so far and doesn't seem to be on the horizon, to the exclusion of doing anything else?

    Idealism isn't strengthening your argument.

    How about doing multiple things, you know, just in case, on the very small (^minuscule,^ ^really^) off-chance you happen to be incorrect or even not fully correct ?^[As unlikely as that scenario is , i mean]

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Blah blah.

    Sony isn't going to do anything unless forced. Public backlash might move things along a bit, but at the end of the day they'll need to be forced to do something by some tough regulations and laws, hopefully out of the EU.

    Meanwhile they'll fleece you and all your wallet voters, and if it's not Sony, it'll be everyone else that is doing the same thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Sure, didn't say they would, capitalist companies gonna capitalise.

    In the same way capitalist governments are gonna capitalise....by serving the interests of capitalist companies.

    Hit me up when these magical regulations of yours get applied and enforced for a value more than the profits produced by ignoring them.

    I mean it, I'm all for the regulations, I just don't think it should be the only basket in which to place eggs, but you do you.

    Meanwhile , i'll also be not spending money on products that don't serve my interests, it's not the definition of "being fleeced" that I'd use but you seem confident enough that I'll look it up and check.

    And by all means, you can buy your PlayStation's (not the disc ones obviously, that would be stupid, unless the regulations for that are also imminent?) , ready for the day when those regulations come in to force (in the near future, I assume).

    Because NOT buying user-hostile products is for chumps who don't believe their government has their best interests at heart... or something?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Hey look, this one guy voting with his wallet may inspire ten more people who will each inspire ten more. Of course that is where it stops and these hundred and eleven people won't move the needle at all. Not even a little.

    To put it how Senal said it, "you do you!"

    Otherwise known as not doing shit and hoping someone else will actually regulate the market or perhaps a mystical invisible hand of their will power will do it. Who knows.

    I know a lot of old crotchety elders that tried this strategy as well. It didn't work out very well for them, buuuuuut you do YOU!

    Lol, I love that. Thanks Senal.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Don’t buy consumer products from these companies or support it through purchase. This is a choice you are actively making. Forcing a company to provide you a consumer product sounds, quite honestly, fucking ridiculous.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    No one is forcing you to buy, but if you think your preference is going to change the world you are wrong. This isn't just my opinion, it has been borne out many times thoughout history where governments have had to regulate companies over safety concerns.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago

    OH PLEASE DADDY GOVERNMENT FORCE COMPANIES TO SELL GAMES ON DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISC AND NEVER EVER EVER LET THEM RAISE PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIICES BECAUSE GAMERS ARE SPECIAL AND NEED GAMES TO SURVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    It’s not fucking food. It’s a consumer product. The only way to stop this is to quit fucking buying it. But gamers are entitled whiny children who think their fucking game discs are more important than energy and food pricing. So instead of fixing real problems our fucking entire summer is going to be filled with relentless bitch crying.

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