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[-] pineapple@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

I wasn't really talking about Marxism, I was just talking about my own opinion I haven't really read any theory yet. I'm not sure what I think about agency, physics literally denies it.

And of course I don't know the backstory of this person but I'm sure we can both agree that he almost certainly did not have a normal life. Yes I'm still hedging with "almost" but whatever.

[-] SirSmoothAES@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I could've sworn you're at least somewhat familiar with Marxism the way you talk about alienation as well as your defense of China, but that's okay, and yes, I agree that the rapist almost certainly did not have a normal life, but there's also a possibility he grew up in a perfectly loving environment and still ended up raping and killing, because sometimes no amount of nurture can change one's nature.

[-] pineapple@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago

Ok I mean I am somewhat familiar with Marxism, I mean that just happens by existing on this instance. I do consider myself a Marxist and I like bringing up Xinjinag because I have done a lot of personal research into it. Although I don't know much about how Marxists describe or define alienation, I just use it as a convenient way to describe why I think people act in certain ways.

because sometimes no amount of nurture can change one’s nature.

That's an interesting thought. If I'm being honest I have no idea how much people's "nature" differs from person to person. My brain has kind of made the irrational decision to pretend nature doesn't exist and everyone is born the same because it's so much easier to think of things that way. And regardless you still can't blame someone for their nature either can you?

It's funny how my argument has just turned into asking questions but I would be grateful if you had some thoughts on this.

[-] SirSmoothAES@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

I think the nuance is that you can't blame someone for their nature, but that you can hold them accountable for how they choose to act in response, because for practical rather than philosophical reasons I do believe in agency. Otherwise everything is predetermined and there's no point in contemplating anything.

Then even our exchange on this app becomes absurd, which again I have no problem with philosophically, but isn't very practical. Everything hinges on us entertaining agency.

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