▲ 106 ▼ Quebec town recognizes trees as living beings with rights. Terrasse-Vaudreuil 1st municipality in Canada to sign on to Universal Declaration of the Rights of the Tree. (www.cbc.ca) submitted 2 months ago by Lemmynated@lemmy.zip to c/world@quokk.au 65 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] dbdr@nord.pub 14 points 2 months ago* (58 children) "trees are living beings and a common human good, life on Earth depends on their existence" Is it that radical? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 58 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (57 children) Yes. Trees, like all plants, exist primarily to make human life easier and in that goal are required to die and their corpse be used for a variety of needs; some quite ephemeral, some quite permanent. Without wood access, assuming you are correctly against plastics, you're essentially advocating for a world where poor people don't get furniture, barbecue is tasteless, and wildfires are common place. Edit: I genuinely didn't expect liberals to take issue with this. It's wild how right-wing beliefs like humans being smol inconsequential beans have spread in that community. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 57 child comments replies: [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (9 children) Wow, did you not read the things you were typing while you were typing them..? I thought the idea that the world was made by god to serve humans was known to not exactly be a fact, but apparently some people believe it still. By the way, yes, quite obviously you are not "woke". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (8 children) No one brought up God. Just not using your woo-woo 'oh the earth and the trees are living beings and we're all one' nonsense that helps no one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (6 children) They teach that in some churches though, that "everything on earth was put here for us by god". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies) [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago We can trace every living thing on the planet's lineage back to a single common ancestor. We are quite literally one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 8 points 2 months ago (5 children) Trees don't exist "for" us. Animals don't exist "for" us. We are a cosmic accident. The fact that they make our lives easier in a great variety of ways is incidental. Trees, like all plants, exist as a similar cosmic accident and their "purpose" is to continue their spread and growth. I'm not going to stop using wood any time soon, but the way you're trying to paint humans as like, the one true species or some shit, is fucking gross permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (4 children) Trees don’t exist “for” us. Animals don’t exist “for” us. We are a cosmic accident. The second point being made has no relevance to the first point. The fact that they make our lives easier in a great variety of ways is incidental. It's really not. Trees, like all plants, exist as a similar cosmic accident and their “purpose” is to continue their spread and growth. Incorrect, their purpose is to serve whatever needs we might have for them. That's the sole reason they exist. I’m not going to stop using wood any time soon, but the way you’re trying to paint humans as like, the one true species or some shit, is fucking gross That's evolution. That's how we evolved, and that's how we live, and that's why we are not anthropomorphic cats or octopi. We allow these things to continue to exist because they are not harmful to us, and that they are useful to us. If they were not useful, they would cease to exist, and would've ceased to exist long before your suicidal morality came about. Until otherwise proven, the default is that things exist to serve us, the only part of the universe that can explore and understand itself. Anything less is suicide, anything more is ascribing natural evolution to God or the great spirit or or the oneness of everything other such childhood nonsense. We are the singular apex predator. There is no living thing in the known universe that has our kill count. We allow whatever to exist, not the other way around, and we evolved to that place in the chain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children) did you read the fuckin article? lol you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans. Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) did you read the fuckin article? lol Yes, an unscientific puff piece about green washing being presented as a good thing despite it doing nothing of value. It's the same thing as Target making a press release about rainbow children's onesies or when the US government super duper promises to replant some of the trees they blow up. you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans. Read On Authority by Engels sometime. Not only is the point of Marxism not the elimination of all Hierarchy, communism is in fact impossible without some hierarchies. Yes, everything exists to serve humans. This also means humans have the responsibility to continue the things that keep us alive. Saying 'oh woo woo says we're all equal and one' takes all responsibility off of humanity. The same as this nonsense: Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here. Maybe, we can't know that and it would be a pointless existence for them at that point. They exist so that we can exist, so we can keep them existing so we can continue to exist. The opposite is not true. Trees cannot take care of us. They are not the solution to climate change. They don't sequester anywhere enough carbon for the amount we're releasing. They're too inefficient. And we've done too much damage. By showing we are able to end all life on Earth we show that not only is everything dependent on us, we have the sole responsibility of their survival as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago I dont think Id enjoy living my life if I were you. bummer. sorry yo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago Oh you're gross gross. I see. Pity cause you're otherwise a quality leftie. I won't be talking to you anymore, but have a wonderful life and I hope you'll reconsider your stance on this issue! permalink fedilink source parent [–] wilt@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago Nothing exists for humans. Fix yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (29 children) Wow, human exceptionalism is fucking gross. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 29 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (28 children) Sorry you're a traitor to your species. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) the earth gave us a place to hold life. Not a traitor to my species, just humble enough to understand we are at the mercy of nature. For example, without the trees we'd not have anything to burn when we found fire. Nor wood houses, nor yes, our furniture. But also no shade to keep us from the sun, no place for the birds and squirrels to nest. Trees give life for many outside our species too. In nature, all is connected. It's graditute, respect, and understanding. Ill edit this if I can find a link, but a national forest removed the wolves from its park. A time later, the trees started dying. Sceince found (and i forget so imma look it up,) somehow the missing wolves lead to the dead trees, so they reintroduced the wolves. I believe deer pop exploded and were eating the trees dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago How wolves change rivers! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (20 children) Sorry you're a traitor to every form of life except your own, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (3 children) youre a capitalist. All these points you make align with capitalism. good work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) You're not capable of making that determination based on your post history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago aww, you peeked my profile :3 permalink fedilink source parent [–] wilt@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago Bunch of us in agreement here. Keep up the fight, it’s a great example of how not to be for future generations. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (7 children) Trees exist for trees. Their purpose is to make more trees. Humans are not a consideration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (6 children) Their purpose is whatever purpose we have for them. We could eliminate them at any time on a whim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) You are looking at this as if the whole world was made for humans. You perhaps a creationist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) That is an incredibly colonialist capitalist attitude and it's exactly what got us into this ecological crisis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) You objectively do not know what either of those words mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Oh, sweetie. Honey. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) You're one of those people that thinks there's a sky daddy aren't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (57 children) Yes. Trees, like all plants, exist primarily to make human life easier and in that goal are required to die and their corpse be used for a variety of needs; some quite ephemeral, some quite permanent. Without wood access, assuming you are correctly against plastics, you're essentially advocating for a world where poor people don't get furniture, barbecue is tasteless, and wildfires are common place. Edit: I genuinely didn't expect liberals to take issue with this. It's wild how right-wing beliefs like humans being smol inconsequential beans have spread in that community. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 57 child comments replies: [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (9 children) Wow, did you not read the things you were typing while you were typing them..? I thought the idea that the world was made by god to serve humans was known to not exactly be a fact, but apparently some people believe it still. By the way, yes, quite obviously you are not "woke". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (8 children) No one brought up God. Just not using your woo-woo 'oh the earth and the trees are living beings and we're all one' nonsense that helps no one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (6 children) They teach that in some churches though, that "everything on earth was put here for us by god". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies) [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago We can trace every living thing on the planet's lineage back to a single common ancestor. We are quite literally one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 8 points 2 months ago (5 children) Trees don't exist "for" us. Animals don't exist "for" us. We are a cosmic accident. The fact that they make our lives easier in a great variety of ways is incidental. Trees, like all plants, exist as a similar cosmic accident and their "purpose" is to continue their spread and growth. I'm not going to stop using wood any time soon, but the way you're trying to paint humans as like, the one true species or some shit, is fucking gross permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (4 children) Trees don’t exist “for” us. Animals don’t exist “for” us. We are a cosmic accident. The second point being made has no relevance to the first point. The fact that they make our lives easier in a great variety of ways is incidental. It's really not. Trees, like all plants, exist as a similar cosmic accident and their “purpose” is to continue their spread and growth. Incorrect, their purpose is to serve whatever needs we might have for them. That's the sole reason they exist. I’m not going to stop using wood any time soon, but the way you’re trying to paint humans as like, the one true species or some shit, is fucking gross That's evolution. That's how we evolved, and that's how we live, and that's why we are not anthropomorphic cats or octopi. We allow these things to continue to exist because they are not harmful to us, and that they are useful to us. If they were not useful, they would cease to exist, and would've ceased to exist long before your suicidal morality came about. Until otherwise proven, the default is that things exist to serve us, the only part of the universe that can explore and understand itself. Anything less is suicide, anything more is ascribing natural evolution to God or the great spirit or or the oneness of everything other such childhood nonsense. We are the singular apex predator. There is no living thing in the known universe that has our kill count. We allow whatever to exist, not the other way around, and we evolved to that place in the chain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children) did you read the fuckin article? lol you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans. Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) did you read the fuckin article? lol Yes, an unscientific puff piece about green washing being presented as a good thing despite it doing nothing of value. It's the same thing as Target making a press release about rainbow children's onesies or when the US government super duper promises to replant some of the trees they blow up. you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans. Read On Authority by Engels sometime. Not only is the point of Marxism not the elimination of all Hierarchy, communism is in fact impossible without some hierarchies. Yes, everything exists to serve humans. This also means humans have the responsibility to continue the things that keep us alive. Saying 'oh woo woo says we're all equal and one' takes all responsibility off of humanity. The same as this nonsense: Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here. Maybe, we can't know that and it would be a pointless existence for them at that point. They exist so that we can exist, so we can keep them existing so we can continue to exist. The opposite is not true. Trees cannot take care of us. They are not the solution to climate change. They don't sequester anywhere enough carbon for the amount we're releasing. They're too inefficient. And we've done too much damage. By showing we are able to end all life on Earth we show that not only is everything dependent on us, we have the sole responsibility of their survival as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago I dont think Id enjoy living my life if I were you. bummer. sorry yo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago Oh you're gross gross. I see. Pity cause you're otherwise a quality leftie. I won't be talking to you anymore, but have a wonderful life and I hope you'll reconsider your stance on this issue! permalink fedilink source parent [–] wilt@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago Nothing exists for humans. Fix yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (29 children) Wow, human exceptionalism is fucking gross. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 29 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (28 children) Sorry you're a traitor to your species. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) the earth gave us a place to hold life. Not a traitor to my species, just humble enough to understand we are at the mercy of nature. For example, without the trees we'd not have anything to burn when we found fire. Nor wood houses, nor yes, our furniture. But also no shade to keep us from the sun, no place for the birds and squirrels to nest. Trees give life for many outside our species too. In nature, all is connected. It's graditute, respect, and understanding. Ill edit this if I can find a link, but a national forest removed the wolves from its park. A time later, the trees started dying. Sceince found (and i forget so imma look it up,) somehow the missing wolves lead to the dead trees, so they reintroduced the wolves. I believe deer pop exploded and were eating the trees dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago How wolves change rivers! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (20 children) Sorry you're a traitor to every form of life except your own, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (3 children) youre a capitalist. All these points you make align with capitalism. good work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) You're not capable of making that determination based on your post history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago aww, you peeked my profile :3 permalink fedilink source parent [–] wilt@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago Bunch of us in agreement here. Keep up the fight, it’s a great example of how not to be for future generations. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (7 children) Trees exist for trees. Their purpose is to make more trees. Humans are not a consideration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (6 children) Their purpose is whatever purpose we have for them. We could eliminate them at any time on a whim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) You are looking at this as if the whole world was made for humans. You perhaps a creationist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) That is an incredibly colonialist capitalist attitude and it's exactly what got us into this ecological crisis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) You objectively do not know what either of those words mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Oh, sweetie. Honey. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) You're one of those people that thinks there's a sky daddy aren't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (9 children) Wow, did you not read the things you were typing while you were typing them..? I thought the idea that the world was made by god to serve humans was known to not exactly be a fact, but apparently some people believe it still. By the way, yes, quite obviously you are not "woke". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (8 children) No one brought up God. Just not using your woo-woo 'oh the earth and the trees are living beings and we're all one' nonsense that helps no one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (6 children) They teach that in some churches though, that "everything on earth was put here for us by god". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies) [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago We can trace every living thing on the planet's lineage back to a single common ancestor. We are quite literally one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (8 children) No one brought up God. Just not using your woo-woo 'oh the earth and the trees are living beings and we're all one' nonsense that helps no one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (6 children) They teach that in some churches though, that "everything on earth was put here for us by god". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies) [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago We can trace every living thing on the planet's lineage back to a single common ancestor. We are quite literally one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (6 children) They teach that in some churches though, that "everything on earth was put here for us by god". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies)
[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago We can trace every living thing on the planet's lineage back to a single common ancestor. We are quite literally one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 8 points 2 months ago (5 children) Trees don't exist "for" us. Animals don't exist "for" us. We are a cosmic accident. The fact that they make our lives easier in a great variety of ways is incidental. Trees, like all plants, exist as a similar cosmic accident and their "purpose" is to continue their spread and growth. I'm not going to stop using wood any time soon, but the way you're trying to paint humans as like, the one true species or some shit, is fucking gross permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (4 children) Trees don’t exist “for” us. Animals don’t exist “for” us. We are a cosmic accident. The second point being made has no relevance to the first point. The fact that they make our lives easier in a great variety of ways is incidental. It's really not. Trees, like all plants, exist as a similar cosmic accident and their “purpose” is to continue their spread and growth. Incorrect, their purpose is to serve whatever needs we might have for them. That's the sole reason they exist. I’m not going to stop using wood any time soon, but the way you’re trying to paint humans as like, the one true species or some shit, is fucking gross That's evolution. That's how we evolved, and that's how we live, and that's why we are not anthropomorphic cats or octopi. We allow these things to continue to exist because they are not harmful to us, and that they are useful to us. If they were not useful, they would cease to exist, and would've ceased to exist long before your suicidal morality came about. Until otherwise proven, the default is that things exist to serve us, the only part of the universe that can explore and understand itself. Anything less is suicide, anything more is ascribing natural evolution to God or the great spirit or or the oneness of everything other such childhood nonsense. We are the singular apex predator. There is no living thing in the known universe that has our kill count. We allow whatever to exist, not the other way around, and we evolved to that place in the chain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children) did you read the fuckin article? lol you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans. Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) did you read the fuckin article? lol Yes, an unscientific puff piece about green washing being presented as a good thing despite it doing nothing of value. It's the same thing as Target making a press release about rainbow children's onesies or when the US government super duper promises to replant some of the trees they blow up. you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans. Read On Authority by Engels sometime. Not only is the point of Marxism not the elimination of all Hierarchy, communism is in fact impossible without some hierarchies. Yes, everything exists to serve humans. This also means humans have the responsibility to continue the things that keep us alive. Saying 'oh woo woo says we're all equal and one' takes all responsibility off of humanity. The same as this nonsense: Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here. Maybe, we can't know that and it would be a pointless existence for them at that point. They exist so that we can exist, so we can keep them existing so we can continue to exist. The opposite is not true. Trees cannot take care of us. They are not the solution to climate change. They don't sequester anywhere enough carbon for the amount we're releasing. They're too inefficient. And we've done too much damage. By showing we are able to end all life on Earth we show that not only is everything dependent on us, we have the sole responsibility of their survival as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago I dont think Id enjoy living my life if I were you. bummer. sorry yo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago Oh you're gross gross. I see. Pity cause you're otherwise a quality leftie. I won't be talking to you anymore, but have a wonderful life and I hope you'll reconsider your stance on this issue! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (4 children) Trees don’t exist “for” us. Animals don’t exist “for” us. We are a cosmic accident. The second point being made has no relevance to the first point. The fact that they make our lives easier in a great variety of ways is incidental. It's really not. Trees, like all plants, exist as a similar cosmic accident and their “purpose” is to continue their spread and growth. Incorrect, their purpose is to serve whatever needs we might have for them. That's the sole reason they exist. I’m not going to stop using wood any time soon, but the way you’re trying to paint humans as like, the one true species or some shit, is fucking gross That's evolution. That's how we evolved, and that's how we live, and that's why we are not anthropomorphic cats or octopi. We allow these things to continue to exist because they are not harmful to us, and that they are useful to us. If they were not useful, they would cease to exist, and would've ceased to exist long before your suicidal morality came about. Until otherwise proven, the default is that things exist to serve us, the only part of the universe that can explore and understand itself. Anything less is suicide, anything more is ascribing natural evolution to God or the great spirit or or the oneness of everything other such childhood nonsense. We are the singular apex predator. There is no living thing in the known universe that has our kill count. We allow whatever to exist, not the other way around, and we evolved to that place in the chain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children) did you read the fuckin article? lol you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans. Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) did you read the fuckin article? lol Yes, an unscientific puff piece about green washing being presented as a good thing despite it doing nothing of value. It's the same thing as Target making a press release about rainbow children's onesies or when the US government super duper promises to replant some of the trees they blow up. you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans. Read On Authority by Engels sometime. Not only is the point of Marxism not the elimination of all Hierarchy, communism is in fact impossible without some hierarchies. Yes, everything exists to serve humans. This also means humans have the responsibility to continue the things that keep us alive. Saying 'oh woo woo says we're all equal and one' takes all responsibility off of humanity. The same as this nonsense: Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here. Maybe, we can't know that and it would be a pointless existence for them at that point. They exist so that we can exist, so we can keep them existing so we can continue to exist. The opposite is not true. Trees cannot take care of us. They are not the solution to climate change. They don't sequester anywhere enough carbon for the amount we're releasing. They're too inefficient. And we've done too much damage. By showing we are able to end all life on Earth we show that not only is everything dependent on us, we have the sole responsibility of their survival as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago I dont think Id enjoy living my life if I were you. bummer. sorry yo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago Oh you're gross gross. I see. Pity cause you're otherwise a quality leftie. I won't be talking to you anymore, but have a wonderful life and I hope you'll reconsider your stance on this issue! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children) did you read the fuckin article? lol you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans. Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) did you read the fuckin article? lol Yes, an unscientific puff piece about green washing being presented as a good thing despite it doing nothing of value. It's the same thing as Target making a press release about rainbow children's onesies or when the US government super duper promises to replant some of the trees they blow up. you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans. Read On Authority by Engels sometime. Not only is the point of Marxism not the elimination of all Hierarchy, communism is in fact impossible without some hierarchies. Yes, everything exists to serve humans. This also means humans have the responsibility to continue the things that keep us alive. Saying 'oh woo woo says we're all equal and one' takes all responsibility off of humanity. The same as this nonsense: Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here. Maybe, we can't know that and it would be a pointless existence for them at that point. They exist so that we can exist, so we can keep them existing so we can continue to exist. The opposite is not true. Trees cannot take care of us. They are not the solution to climate change. They don't sequester anywhere enough carbon for the amount we're releasing. They're too inefficient. And we've done too much damage. By showing we are able to end all life on Earth we show that not only is everything dependent on us, we have the sole responsibility of their survival as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago I dont think Id enjoy living my life if I were you. bummer. sorry yo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) did you read the fuckin article? lol Yes, an unscientific puff piece about green washing being presented as a good thing despite it doing nothing of value. It's the same thing as Target making a press release about rainbow children's onesies or when the US government super duper promises to replant some of the trees they blow up. you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans. Read On Authority by Engels sometime. Not only is the point of Marxism not the elimination of all Hierarchy, communism is in fact impossible without some hierarchies. Yes, everything exists to serve humans. This also means humans have the responsibility to continue the things that keep us alive. Saying 'oh woo woo says we're all equal and one' takes all responsibility off of humanity. The same as this nonsense: Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here. Maybe, we can't know that and it would be a pointless existence for them at that point. They exist so that we can exist, so we can keep them existing so we can continue to exist. The opposite is not true. Trees cannot take care of us. They are not the solution to climate change. They don't sequester anywhere enough carbon for the amount we're releasing. They're too inefficient. And we've done too much damage. By showing we are able to end all life on Earth we show that not only is everything dependent on us, we have the sole responsibility of their survival as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago I dont think Id enjoy living my life if I were you. bummer. sorry yo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago I dont think Id enjoy living my life if I were you. bummer. sorry yo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago Oh you're gross gross. I see. Pity cause you're otherwise a quality leftie. I won't be talking to you anymore, but have a wonderful life and I hope you'll reconsider your stance on this issue! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wilt@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago Nothing exists for humans. Fix yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (29 children) Wow, human exceptionalism is fucking gross. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 29 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (28 children) Sorry you're a traitor to your species. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) the earth gave us a place to hold life. Not a traitor to my species, just humble enough to understand we are at the mercy of nature. For example, without the trees we'd not have anything to burn when we found fire. Nor wood houses, nor yes, our furniture. But also no shade to keep us from the sun, no place for the birds and squirrels to nest. Trees give life for many outside our species too. In nature, all is connected. It's graditute, respect, and understanding. Ill edit this if I can find a link, but a national forest removed the wolves from its park. A time later, the trees started dying. Sceince found (and i forget so imma look it up,) somehow the missing wolves lead to the dead trees, so they reintroduced the wolves. I believe deer pop exploded and were eating the trees dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago How wolves change rivers! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (20 children) Sorry you're a traitor to every form of life except your own, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (3 children) youre a capitalist. All these points you make align with capitalism. good work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) You're not capable of making that determination based on your post history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago aww, you peeked my profile :3 permalink fedilink source parent [–] wilt@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago Bunch of us in agreement here. Keep up the fight, it’s a great example of how not to be for future generations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (28 children) Sorry you're a traitor to your species. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) the earth gave us a place to hold life. Not a traitor to my species, just humble enough to understand we are at the mercy of nature. For example, without the trees we'd not have anything to burn when we found fire. Nor wood houses, nor yes, our furniture. But also no shade to keep us from the sun, no place for the birds and squirrels to nest. Trees give life for many outside our species too. In nature, all is connected. It's graditute, respect, and understanding. Ill edit this if I can find a link, but a national forest removed the wolves from its park. A time later, the trees started dying. Sceince found (and i forget so imma look it up,) somehow the missing wolves lead to the dead trees, so they reintroduced the wolves. I believe deer pop exploded and were eating the trees dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago How wolves change rivers! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (20 children) Sorry you're a traitor to every form of life except your own, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (3 children) youre a capitalist. All these points you make align with capitalism. good work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) You're not capable of making that determination based on your post history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago aww, you peeked my profile :3 permalink fedilink source parent [–] wilt@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago Bunch of us in agreement here. Keep up the fight, it’s a great example of how not to be for future generations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) the earth gave us a place to hold life. Not a traitor to my species, just humble enough to understand we are at the mercy of nature. For example, without the trees we'd not have anything to burn when we found fire. Nor wood houses, nor yes, our furniture. But also no shade to keep us from the sun, no place for the birds and squirrels to nest. Trees give life for many outside our species too. In nature, all is connected. It's graditute, respect, and understanding. Ill edit this if I can find a link, but a national forest removed the wolves from its park. A time later, the trees started dying. Sceince found (and i forget so imma look it up,) somehow the missing wolves lead to the dead trees, so they reintroduced the wolves. I believe deer pop exploded and were eating the trees dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago How wolves change rivers! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago How wolves change rivers! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (20 children) Sorry you're a traitor to every form of life except your own, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies)
[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (3 children) youre a capitalist. All these points you make align with capitalism. good work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) You're not capable of making that determination based on your post history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago aww, you peeked my profile :3 permalink fedilink source parent [–] wilt@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago Bunch of us in agreement here. Keep up the fight, it’s a great example of how not to be for future generations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) You're not capable of making that determination based on your post history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago aww, you peeked my profile :3 permalink fedilink source parent [–] wilt@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago Bunch of us in agreement here. Keep up the fight, it’s a great example of how not to be for future generations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago aww, you peeked my profile :3 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wilt@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago Bunch of us in agreement here. Keep up the fight, it’s a great example of how not to be for future generations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (7 children) Trees exist for trees. Their purpose is to make more trees. Humans are not a consideration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (6 children) Their purpose is whatever purpose we have for them. We could eliminate them at any time on a whim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) You are looking at this as if the whole world was made for humans. You perhaps a creationist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) That is an incredibly colonialist capitalist attitude and it's exactly what got us into this ecological crisis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) You objectively do not know what either of those words mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Oh, sweetie. Honey. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (6 children) Their purpose is whatever purpose we have for them. We could eliminate them at any time on a whim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) You are looking at this as if the whole world was made for humans. You perhaps a creationist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) That is an incredibly colonialist capitalist attitude and it's exactly what got us into this ecological crisis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) You objectively do not know what either of those words mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Oh, sweetie. Honey. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) You are looking at this as if the whole world was made for humans. You perhaps a creationist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) That is an incredibly colonialist capitalist attitude and it's exactly what got us into this ecological crisis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) You objectively do not know what either of those words mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Oh, sweetie. Honey. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) You objectively do not know what either of those words mean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Oh, sweetie. Honey. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) You're one of those people that thinks there's a sky daddy aren't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)