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I think am starting to see why so many leftists dislike liberals (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 11 points 3 months ago (12 children)

Depends on your view point. From a European perspective liberalism is center right, although I'd say that the so called liberalism as discussed in the US is pretty well into the right. The whole spectrum has shifted, so I'd say that what used to be conservative talking points are now liberal talking points.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    This. To expand for those not familiar with US idiocy, liberal is synonymous with progressive policy, but they haven't the slightest what that truly is. Its population is so ill informed that their media calls center-right policy 'socialist communism' or some other such nonsense and the masses uncritically lap it up.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah the Overton Window is pretty bad in the US.

    Everything related to the welfare of others is dogmatically condemned as unfair and evil by the political right, while also continuing with US tradition of shooting down anything with the label of socialism. Centrists can't tell what's up from down and blindly accept that those policies were unfair or unnecessary. Meanwhile, informed social progressives have either moved further left or buried their heads to survive the sheer amount of propaganda that their out of touch centrist colleagues are repeating.

    Everyone is exhausted except for the alt-right; who also are loving the oppression and lies that the current federal government dealing out. The media is completely captured by tech oligarchs and perpetuates the propaganda by framing it as the only way to think.

    It's not hard to see why things are the way they are given that its a coin toss between people who follow whatever source of truth is easiest and those who are invested in finding their flavor of truth.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    to survive the sheer amount of propaganda that their out of touch centrist colleagues are repeating.

    You mean to hide from the shame of giving the country to the right. The only people "out of touch" are those who refuse to believe that more than their specific niche is required to prevail in the system we find ourselves in. No one on the left of right wants compromise, they all want total victory.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    I don't agree with that. The centrists that remain "neutral" don't see there being any political issues, just a president that is controversial whose policy they may not agree with but they'd rather keep their personal connections and appeal to "both sides." Thus, they hear deception from the right, believe it as truth, and the tug of war continues because they lack critical thinking to determine it as a lie or a spine to refute it.

    Your last sentence sounds ignorant. Of course there's no negotiating compromise when all the right is offering is harm at this point.

    Edit: Oh, I read the first portion as the centrists but you were talking about progressives. It's probably some shame for those that didn't vote but I think it's more about mental health and coming to terms that the system doesn't balance itself. Too many were complacent with what we had and recent events are quite the wake-up call.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    their media

    right wing media calls it that. They call everything they think they don't like "communism".

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Is there any US media that isn't right wing?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The Overton window is very very bad here. Msnbc/Ms now would be the closest but it's still only 1-2 people in the network.

    And no, I don't give a flying fuck what they'd be considered in Europe, things are very different here. See the Overton window being very very bad

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    AP is not "right wing". People are just lazy, stupid and prefer simple perceptions like "the media is all the same".

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Or some people pull their heads out if their arses, notice the majority of US media is owned by the same few billionaires, and they all tend to sell the same bullshit but under different branding.

    But nah, that's just being lazy.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, outlets like Reuters and AP are generally considered neutral. PBS is another, I think anyway. Plus there are international outlets.

    Nothing lazier than lumping every single outlet into some monolithic blob. It also just encourages people to believe utter bullshit from social media instead.

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