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Help Me Understand The Proton Hate...
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this post was submitted on 27 Jun 2026
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There are a couple issues I'm aware of that tend to make people wary of Proton.
First is Andy Yen's open support of fascists. Which you mentioned in your post. I know that he has tried to walk back his comments and claim they aren't political, but anyone claiming the GOP is anything other than fascists and oligarchs is either too stupid to trust, or dangerous because their beliefs are aligned with those fascists.
Second is that Proton continues to expand their suite of services and are trying to get people to buy into all of it, much the same way that people bought into the google suite. This centralizes many services, which is problematic if the company makes changes that do not align with the users wants and needs. So many people push to avoid this. Centralization in general opens users up to enshittification that is difficult to extract yourself from.
There may be more, but that is what I'm tracking. And it's why I ended my subscription with them, and moved most of my things away from Proton mail.
It wasn't just praising an appointment. “By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade firsthand,” Yen wrote. “Support for cracking down on corporate monopolies is popular on both sides of the political spectrum. Unfortunately, corporate capture of Dems is real, and in the end, money won. It is hard to see how this changes, and Republicans are likely to lead the antitrust charge in the coming years.”
He is praising the party as a whole. The party that is full of fascists and pedophiles. The dems are corporate shills, but in what fucking reality can any sane person claim the Republicans are better? That is why I framed it as open support to fascists. During the controversy, when people had already expressed disappointment and highlighted the problematic nature of his original statement he doubled down.
So in 2024 he is praising the republican party about anti-trust, which even you admit he is wrong about. So he is spreading misinformation, or possibly disinformation depending on whether he knows he is wrong. And he really should have known that the republican party rabidly supports mega corporations at that point, with the only exceptions being any that oppose their agenda. And he is ego stroking Trump. Which is what a bunch of other tech billionaires have done as a prelude to climbing into bed with him and going full mask off techno-fascist. So I don't really see why you're surprised that this is a giant strobing red flag for a bunch of people that are privacy focused, and largely fall on the left.
I'm not calling for everyone to boycott Proton. I'm answering the original question of why people dislike proton. And I said that it was enough for me to personally cancel my subscription.
Mamdani didn't spout obviously false republican talking points on a public forum, and then double down in defense of the republican party when called out on it. The republicans don't support the little guy. Anyone that pays attention to anything the party has done since st least Reagan should know that. So what Mamdani did was not the equivalent, and it seems disengenuous to claim such an obviously false equivalency.
And I'm not saying divest from everyone that is wrong about anything. I'm saying that spreading obviously incorrect information that aligns with fascist talking points should be scrutinized. It should get called out. It should make people question your beliefs and motives.
Just adding that Mamdani talks mad shit about Trump both before and after meeting with him. He's extremely principled in his approach.
You quite obviously aren't willing to change your mind or consider other perspectives, so what did you even post this for? The whole discussion is just going round in circles.
I've noticed that there's a peculiarly dogmatic approach to antifascism here, and I think that colors a lot of the discussion around Proton.
Its the same wirh firefox... so much FUD spreads for every tiny missetep. And the result is likely that more people stay with gmail/chrome or people killing upstream by supporting forks
I'm not aware of the stuff with Firefox specifically, but I think I can agree with the premise. It seems that this boils down to the question of whether "good enough" really is.
This line of thinking is particularly relevant within this community. For instance, Proton/Tuta isn't immune to subpoenas, so the only way I can think of to have truly secure email is to have a self-hosted service with a dead man switch. However, most email providers block most self-hosted email servers... so one either needs to compromise, or not participate. It's an uncomfortable place for a lot of people, and calls into question their morals as well as their commitment to the same. I think this is why points that may seem spurious may often creep in, because we're all trying to find something to better inform our decisions in uncertain circumstances.
Could you elaborate further or clarify specifically why this approach "colors" the discussion here? Almost all approaches to antifascism kinda have to be dogmatic in my view
I didn't understand how you're supposed to be measured about fascism. As if fascists are equally charitable and deserve measure.
Of course. It seems that one of the foundational truths of antifascism is the approach that fascism, operates in all tenets of life, not just on the debate floor, and so if one resigns themselves to only confronting fascism using the establishes channels (i.e. voting), they are "leaving the back door open", so to speak.
This leads to a certain suspicion toward all things; for example, not accepting trump's dismissal of project 2025, because it is a forgone conclusion that lying about something that is exactly something a fascist would do.
However, I think that worldview can complicate (and at times create tension with) other discussions, i.e. Proton. Someone who may not consider themselves fascist or antifascist, and just wants to degoogle, may look up Proton and feel as if they don't have the tools to separate the stuff which isn't in the scope of their inquiry from the stuff that does, which what I think is going on here.
To put it another way, it's like someone saying they want a burger and asking if mcdonald's is good, then being told that mcdonald's sucks because their food is unhealthy, they facilitate factory farming, and they take advantage of the economically disadvantaged. While those data points are important to the person sharing their opinion, and may very well extend to the life of the individual asking, it doesn't say anything about whether the food tastes good or not, thereby leaving the initial question unresolved.
So while the data points about proton's CEO (and anyone else who may be implicated) may be true, and while there may be wider implications as well, it can serve to muddy the waters for those who are coming in perpendicular to the conversation.