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I promise bro, just a few less Muslims and a few more islands bro, we're so close believe me bro (thelemmy.club)
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[+] -8 points 4 months ago (24 children)

Ok I'm gonna play devil's advocate for the tankies. China made concentration camps for Uyhgurs and planned a cultural genocide by forcing many of them to marry Han Chinese people. BUT there's cheap housing and renewables are widespread all over the country. You win some, you lose some am I right?

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    I imagine no government is all bad to everyone. China has had a tremendous amount of success in improving the lives of the average citizen, but we shouldn't gloss over criticism purely on that basis.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    China vs US is like Democrat vs Republican. Like yeah, if you are both going to spy on me, shred human rights, throw people in concentration camps, force me into wage slavery, censor my voice, invade other countries, and on and on, I'd prefer to go with the one who also gives me housing, clean water, usable roads, healthcare, and a modicum of decency.

    But it would be great to get those benefits and not have the horror show behind it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (12 children)

    I'd rather have the one without moble execution vans

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    We live in different Americas.

    The mobile execution van, for me and many people in America, fits in the same category as above. "At least I would get healthcare and roads and a place to live."

    In fact, I think the vans in China specifically are better than the American execution squads. At least in China they are publicly named for the purpose and there is a public trial.

    In America you never know if this one today is going to execute you or not, and if they do it's without arrest or trial. It's just some unaccountable badge who's pissed off and can't get to his wife to take it out on because he's at work.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (10 children)

    Which part of America do you live in, exactly? Because I looked out the window and there's no roving bands of murder cops deciding who's going to get blown away that day.
    I mean yes you do see a lot of stuff on the news about cops shooting people for no reason (ACAB,) the last thing I'm going to do is defend the police. But there's a big difference between a cop shooting someone for a reason which may or may not be justified, and the state sending a van to your house to kill you. Those two things are not the same, and in no univese is the van better than the alternative.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    May or may not be justified?! I'm sure some of the people China targets also "may or may" have deserved it in the exact same way!

    I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but we do have roving bands of murder cops who decide who to kill on a whim. We have literal gangs who hunt down and murder people for fun in our largest and most liberal cities, and cops from small towns are somehow even more terrifying. It is absolutely tone deaf to think our cops are a gotcha against any country.

    If anything, the most disappointing thing about China is how well they seem to be following our playbook. Most of the evil things they do were done worse by America, and with everything in China that is genuinely worse than the US, we're quickly catching up. You cannot whataboutism China as an American; the US isn't even the winning side anymore.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    No, the police are not "murdering people for fun." The cops ARE shooting people when it's not justified, and getting away with it. The way you're describing it is like it's out of a movie or something. You're literally ingesting all of the bad news that props up the 24hr news cycle and assuming real life is like an episode of Daredevil or something.
    See, this puts me in the shitty position of actually having to defend the cops, which I will not do (because All Cops Are Bastards.) But I will say cops do not just blow people away "for the fun of it." That is simply not true.
    And you know what else they don't do? Come to your house with a van, drag you outside, and kill you via lethal injection so your ogans can be harvested and sold on the black market. No, this evil thing is not "done worse by America." This is real life, not a movie.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm most familiar with LA's history of police gangs, but my understanding is they are not a total outlier. If anything, movies consistently downplay just how bad our police actually are, even when they take a critical stance on them. The copaganda is so pervasive that even people who dislike cops underestimate just how dire things are.

    It's really upsetting that you're basically denying the lived reality of so many marginalized groups. I've met people who refuse to say ACAB that are less ignorant about our cops than you.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    How exactly is me stating the fact that the police are not "murdering people for fun" denying the lived experince of marganized groups?
    You understand that saying something positve about a person or institution does not mean you defend every single bad/illegal thing said person or institution has ever done, correct?
    It's not "copoganda" to state the fact that American police do not drive around and shoot random people for the hell of it. God damn wtf is wrong with this picture?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    Not the one you live in. Clearly. It's closer to me than "a lot of stuff on the news" so I can't be so flippant about it. But, I can understand how if they're both just distant cries because the cops don't target you, you fear the one that has been yelled at you more in the news.

    Edit: just out of curiosity I wanted to see the percentage of the population executed by China in a year. It's .00017143%

    Cops in America kill .00038421% of the population every year. That's more than twice as many. Ice disappeared 4,000 people this last year, before they changed how it was recorded on their website so we couldn't track them like that anymore. That's .00104167%, a whole order of magnitude more than China.

    Again, clearly it doesn't involve you, so I'm sure you don't care, but there's the facts.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    In real life China accounts for an estimated 50% to 70% of all executions in the entire world. It's estimated because the actual number is not known, because China treats the number of people executed as a state secret. But it's not disputed that China executes more people than all of the other countries in the world combined.
    in 2022, it's estimated China executed 8,000 people.
    In 2022, there were 1,176 police shooting deaths in the United States.
    So yeah, those are the actual facts

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Why compare raw numbers when China has over 4x the population? I mean, we know why you're doing it, but will you say so?

    Anyway, 2022 was before the pedophile Nazis fucked the rails off the American system. Now compare numbers for 2025 for both countries and count every police street execution, and every human "missing" from ice custody. And use a third party for those numbers, don't trust America's reporting of it. Just like with China.

    Also, as an aside, I'd like to point out that China executes billionaires and corrupt party officials. Can you name a single billionaire or wealthy person or lifetime politician in America who has been executed? Can you name one who served 10 years in prison? How about 4 years? How about 2 years? In this decade? In your lifetime?

    The fact that anyone could look around at the pedonazifucks running America and having innocent teachers and nurses executed in the street without provocation or trial, and say bbbbb Choinah bad! Is crazy, and really points to the severity of the split between the type of Americans protected and served by this system, and the type of Americans crushed and destroyed by it.

    In real life.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Why compare raw numbers when China has over 4x the population?

    Because it's wrong and misleading to try and claim that the police in the United states kill more people than the government of China executes, when in real life it's less than a fourth.
    Also, we don't even know how many civilian deaths from police occur in China every year, because they don't even bother to record that information.

    I mean, we know why you’re doing it, but will you say so?

    I'm doing it becacuse what you're saying is simply not true. I am in no way defending the police in America. ACAB. What I am saying is this idea that cops drive around and "shoot people for fun" is complete horseshit

    Anyway, 2022 was before the pedophile Nazis fucked the rails off the American system. Now compare numbers for 2025 for both countries and count every police street execution, and every human “missing” from ice custody. And use a third party for those numbers, don’t trust America’s reporting of it. Just like with China.

    America: 1,314 shooting deaths, according to Mapping Police Violence.
    China: Unknown, becasue China does not record how many civlian deaths are caused by police, because they're a totalitarian dictatorship where such things that embarass the government are supressed.

    The fact that anyone could look around at the pedonazifucks running America and having innocent teachers and nurses executed in the street without provocation or trial, and say bbbbb Choinah bad! Is crazy, and really points to the severity of the split between the type of Americans protected and served by this system, and the type of Americans crushed and destroyed by it.

    Where exactly are cops going around, lining up teachers and nurses, and executing them in the streets? Are you referring to the victims that ICE have killed? You understand that ICE ARE NOT POLICE OFFICERS, right? I am not defending the police, or ICE, or the fascist pieces of shit that took over my country (ACAB.) What I am doing is saying that you're out of your mind if you think the cops are just executing people in the street, and if you think it's bad here then China is five times worse.

    I'm sorry China sucks and that conflicts with your ideology, but I'm under no obligation to abide this bullshit.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Lol, all the china heads shit talk america against me and all the american heads shit talk china against me. Because y'all both know your country sucks, and all you can do is shit on the other one.

    I'm not defending a Chinese or Communist ideology. I hold neither. I'm saying America and China are fascist, rapacious, colonizing, genociding, horror shows. While you're trying to say America isn't as bad as China, to make yourself feel better about your team of colonizers.

    The best part has been watching over the last year as America goes mask-off. The America heads used to just label every source counter to their narrative, "enemy propaganda" and every fact too obvious, "the past". This leaves very little, like the fact that America has the world's largest prison population by far, but they're mostly POC so no America heads care.

    Now though, it's the present, the source is your eyes and ears all around you, and you end up "not counting" what you see and hear.

    'the cops don't shoot people for fun that's preposterous! Why I never, oh wait, wait wait wait wait wait, do you mean ice? Oh yes yes they're doing that but I don't count them.'🤣🤣🤣

    'China doesn't even record those statistics because they are a fascist dictatorship who doesn't record things that embarrass them. Yes, I know ice and the current federal regime are doing that too, but again I don't count them'🤣🤣🤣

    Ice and fascists didn't take over your country. This, right now, is what America has always been, just not for your people. You chose to ignore that, calling it history or "enemy propaganda" but ya can't ignore that no more. Oh wait wait wait wait wait, you are still doing that.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago*

    I’m not defending a Chinese or Communist ideology. I hold neither. I’m saying America and China are fascist, rapacious, colonizing, genociding, horror shows. While you’re trying to say America isn’t as bad as China, to make yourself feel better about your team of colonizers.

    You're claiming cops in America drive around and kill people for fun. I am simply stating the facts that this is not true.

    Why I never, oh wait, wait wait wait wait wait, do you mean ice? Oh yes yes they’re doing that but I don’t count them.

    They aren't cops, I am correct about that. That's why they can be arrested and charged for shooting people if the states would quit being so chickenshit and fight back.

    Ice and fascists didn’t take over your country.

    Yes, they did. There is no "My people," there is just Americans. We're all in this together whether you want to beleive that nor not.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Cheap housing? Not really. I mean if you are born into the urban caste you can get a shoe box apartment in the city but they aren't really cheap. If you are not born into the urban caste you can get cheap rural housing, but then you dont get 13 years of schooling or access to modern medicine.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    China's energy is mostly provided by coal, and their coal consumption is increasing every year, regardless of renewables also increasing.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    China relies mostly on coal, but consumption is no longer increasing annually; massive renewable expansion has pushed coal usage into a volatile plateau where its anticipated to become a grid backup gradually over time.

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