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Fully autonomous drones have killed human soldiers for the first time (www.newscientist.com)
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[–] 41 points 3 months ago* (22 children)

Military training exists to brainwash decent human beings with a sense of morality and critical thinking abilities, who know they mustn't kill and would refuse requests to kill, into killing machines who are proud to follow orders (and then experience PTSD when they're returned to civilian life and realize what they've done).

Therefore, I contend that fully autonomous drones have killed human beings since wars have been a thing, and those drones are called "soldiers".

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Fun and interesting take, as far as commentary on soldiers.

    These new fully autonomous drones though, are able to be mass produced by Capital. That's the important difference. It means that there is a nascent way, to bypass the need to have a country with high births to fuel a war machine, and you can just more easily Capital your way to domination.

    And that's kinda scary.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    This is factually inaccurate.

    A much better predictor for PTSD is crimes against humanity committed. Killing in war, when necessary is almost "free".

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Killing in war, when necessary is almost “free”.

    It's thinking like that that's the reason war still exists. Everybody thinks killing is awful, apart in certain circumstances when it's okay, when it's in fact never okay.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    User name checks out.

    I was specifically talking about PTSD. War exists for real world reasons. Most of which aren't a desire for human suffering. A worldview of good and evil just doesn't do reality justice and discards the human suffering caused by your and anyone's actions.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    No, the psychological training to get people to kill each other without thinking is new. Before the 1960's it was common for soldiers to purposely miss. The desensitising and psychological training of shooting at human targets without thinking changed modern warfare and turned people into killing machines.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    This is why I stopped playing ARC. Felt like it was just conditioning to prefer shooting-on-sight than being friendly. That or being a sociopath and lying and shooting someone in the back.

    Neither of which are properties I like to even play pretend having.

    You're very correct in your comment, btw. Nowadays US uses methods that condition people so well that the shoot-to-kill amount of soldiers is like ~95%. In WWII (and everything preceding it) it was roughly 2% of men who were quite literally psychopaths (not in the criminal sense, but a sense of being able to turn off their empathy, many surgeons and ceos belong to this group of ppl). Only <25% of soldiers in a position to fire at the enemy actually shot at them. About 1% of US fighter pilots accounted for ~50% their kills.

    Lindybeige has what I think is a fairly good video on the subject.

    Shooting to kill - how many men can do it

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Nope these make the choices. Ai driven 99.999%

    When deployed, the drone is launched into a designated hunt-zone. It navigates purely via visual landmarks. The onboard AI constantly screens the video feed. When an object matches its classification matrix (e.g., a specific mobile missile launcher), the system locks onto the pixel coordinate, arms the ESAD, and executes a terminal dive completely independent of human input.

    This tightly integrated anatomy of Edge Compute + Computer Vision + Modular Lethality is what defines the reality of autonomous robotic warfare today.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (9 children)

    That's what they're saying:

    When deployed, the soldier is launched into a designated hunt-zone. He navigates purely via visual landmarks. His brain constantly screens the nerve data from his eyes. When an object matches its classification matrix (e.g., a specific mobile missile launcher), the organism locks onto the pixel coordinate, arms the ESAD, and executes a terminal dive completely dependent on human input.

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  • [+] -11 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    I don't understand are you agreeing with me or quoting me because that's not from the article, that's from my Ai prompt that I run through gemini and then ask questions.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Instead of letting the large language model think for you, I would suggest to try critical thinking for yourself. I sincerely mean this in a kind way, because if you continue with this, you may become a drone like the ones we talk about here, and I wish that on nobody. I know this current path is easier/more convenient, but sometimes one has to choose the harder path to arrive at a better result.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    I don't let things think for me I made the prompt that it had to run off of. It wasn't I asked it the anatomy and it gave me that. I had to trick it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Lol. Okay buddy

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