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[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (18 children)

this is a discussion about some zionist jews pissing their pants because they saw the words "free palestine" at a hotel

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[–] Keld@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago* (17 children)

to which genderisopsec raised the fear of potential blowback in the form of genocide against jews.

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[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (14 children)

I have friends that are staunchly anti-zionist jews and I care about them so actually fuck this take. People I care about are gonna catch shit for this. What is wrong with you? This is not a zero sum game. Also Israel is not killing just non-Jews, they are also killing Jewish Palestinians. Nobody is "centering Jewish safety" and it is perfectly reasonable to talk about all the knock on effects of the actions of Israel.

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[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

i guess not enough people on here grew up around kkkrackers using "jewed" as a word for being ripped off. the headline should be two genocide supporters saw the message. christian zionists would have been as offended, and reporting it the way LBC did here makes them complicit in the zionist's conflation.

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[+] Keld@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (12 children)

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[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago (11 children)

if your jewish antiozionist friends are only antizionist out of a fear of reciprocal genocide then I don't give a shit what they think.

They're not and have been since before most the fucking people on this site were alive. You act like it's totally invalid to talk about this shit so I am choosing to just ignore you from here out.

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[+] Keld@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (10 children)

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[+] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 1 point 3 months ago* (9 children)

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[–] Keld@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

With the understanding that pre-emptively accusing (amongst others) victims of genocide by a dominant group of future racial violence against their oppressors is inherently problematic and that the threat against other groups such as, for instance, muslims and people of MENA descent is much more tangible and immediate, sure.

Edit: That is why I said "Centering".

Also again, you misrepresented this as genocide against "non-Jewish people" when there are also Palestinian Jews that they have killed and even Israeli Jews the IDF killed on October 7th. I'm done talking to you.

I don't know how to tell you this, but zionism and the israeli state is an ethnonationalist project built up around jews as an ethnic category. The Israelis who ended up dying as a result of the hannibal doctrine et al do not invalidate this, and the Jews who maintain Palestinian citizenship also don't do that.

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[+] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 1 point 3 months ago* (7 children)

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[–] Keld@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

Nobody is saying the hypothetical reprisals would come from Muslims, it's acknowledging it is fueling neo-Nazi antisemitism being fomented among white people.

Okay then. Let me phrase it thusly then. You are looking at a genocide being done and centering the consequences for the group the ethnonationalist group carrying it out seek to represent.

Edit: Or, even worse. You are looking at a genocide and wondering "Oh no, what will the people against the genocide do in response to this". Because the post only mentions opposition to a connection to genocide as a motivating factor for these future potential antisemitic genocidaires.

Your entire sentence makes no fucking sense by the way, I got what you were saying but you should reread that as a response to what I said because it sounds like gibberish.

"Pre-emptively accusing victims of genocide by a dominant group of future racial violence against their oppressors is inherently problematic" seems pretty clear cut to me, and you understood what I meant. So I'm just going to take this as you lashing out. Indeed just as every other post you have made in this thread have been.

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[+] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

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[–] Keld@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

Okay then. Let me try once more. I think expecting a genocide of the jews based on opposition to genocide is itself far fetched, and I think centering it while an actual genocide is going on based on jewish ethnonationalism and the west's total disregard for the lives of the victims of said genocide and belief in a shared ethnic supremacy over people of MENA descent is bordering on offensive.
"Opposition to genocide" is generally not a motivating factor for genocide, and the idea that the nazis are going to kill jews in the name of Palestine should not be the takeaway from this.

I have never been good at expressing myself, and I accept any specific criticsms you have of my phrasings or any language errors I may have made, but this? This kind of response? This is nothing.

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[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

the idea that the nazis are going to kill jews in the name of Palestine should not be the takeaway from this.

Again not what anyone was saying. @GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net was being hyperbolic and yall got into the weeds ASSUMING they were implying that it was going to cause Muslims to do such reprisal which was not at all their point.

You trying to shut down any discussion of the blowback from this is what I took issue with because it is a real thing that is happening and nobody was centering this discussion around it until yall made your pithy comments in bad faith.

Again this is not a zero sum game and we can and SHOULD be able to discuss all the material outcomes of the actions of the Zionist state. You are still acting in bad faith and so I will still say fuck off to your non-apology.

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[–] Keld@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Let me be clear again, there has been zero apology, non or otherwise. I have done nothing wrong. I was right and I stand by what I said. You on the other hand have said nothing.

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[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

You deliberately misrepresented what genderisopsec said multiple times. Nobody claimed this was stirring antisemitism among victims of genocide. Reread the whole thread. Until then stop replying to me.

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[–] Keld@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago*

No and no. You're wrong and you also don't get to decide what I post.

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[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

bringing up blowback on a comment under an article about zionists at a hotel is not centering them, the topic was already not Palestinians. and maybe zionist jews would be less genocidal if they were worrying about neonazi blowback? israel knows the blowback is coming and they want it to come so that non-zionist jews will be pushed into their arms and go help do more genocide and occupation.

I don't know how you'd even make this non-story incident focus on the victims of genocide. we don't write fluff pieces every time someone puts up a sticker, but we do get news stories when some zionist can't handle seeing it because they make a big stink and the media goes along with it.

death to zionists, death to israel

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 1 point 3 months ago

potential blowback in the form of genocide against jews.

that's not what blowback means. it would be blowback if genderisopsec were describing a fear of Palestinians or another general Levantine group committing some form of state-sanctioned massacre of the descendants of eurojewish settlers in the aftermath of some future total diminution of the zionist ethnostate.

what genderisopsec described on the other hand is a hypothetical situation in which jews living in the u.s. become the target of state-backed violence as a scapegoat for u.s. leadership and participation in the Nakba so that amerikkkan christozionists don't suffer as much backlash for the genocide powered by their doomsday cult. which is ultimately pretty similar to why tsarist pogroms were originally organized during the late russian empire. this is not blowback because it would be carried about by u.s. settlers and the u.s. state and not people that were actually harmed by the zionist genocides.