▲ 408 ▼ TIL one of the Unabomber's victims had a six-year correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein. (en.wikipedia.org) submitted 3 months ago by ivanafterall@lemmy.world to c/til@lemmy.world 57 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] phoenixz@lemmy.ca -27 points 3 months ago (4 children) Indeed But Israel and the IDF (shittiest band name ever, period) are making it really REALY hard not to do that.b I'd say it would be extremely helpful for all Jews world wide if Israel would just stop murdering babies in the biggest genocide since WWII permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 3 months ago (3 children) Israel and the IDF (shittiest band name ever, period) are making it really REALY hard not to do tha Only if you consider anything they say to be true, which you shouldn't. Pretending that Israel is accurately representative of all Jews is itself an antisemitic trope, no matter how many Zionists in and outside of Israel subscribe to it, and we'd do well to not fall for the "some Jews think it's true, so it must be" trap of Zionist Hasbara. I'd say it would be extremely helpful for all Jews world wide if Israel would just stop murdering babies in the biggest genocide since WWII ABSOLUTELY. Until then, though, it behooves us to believe nothing Hasbarists say and remember that there's a lot of anti- or at least non-zionist Jews who don't deserve to be lumped in with the genocidal maniacs and their fan club. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Saying Israel is evil isn't antisemitism. Blaming Jews for Israel's sins is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago That's a WAY more concise version of my main point, yeah 😁 permalink fedilink source parent [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago Most Jewish people I know personally are also the biggest anti-zionists I know. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Nope, why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago You're very welcome! I hate to see you guys lumped in with the crazies like that.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 months ago I mean, ISIS and the taliban were/are pretty horrific, but that's not an excuse to be shitty to Muslims. This really isn't different enough to matter. They aren't shit because they're Jewish, they're shit and happen to be Jewish. permalink fedilink source parent [–] platypode@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) No, they aren’t. It’s extremely easy to separate the actions of the Israeli state from the beliefs and moral worth of the Jewish people. A great way to start is by actually talking to Jews, you will find that many are incredibly disenfranchised by Israel’s actions. Sure, some support the IDF, but so do many American Christians, so you can’t exactly draw conclusions from that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) Yeah but it's not. I only see the polls where most Israelis don't support Netanyahu because they WANT MORE. I don't think Jews are a problem or the problem here, I do think Israel as a state is such a problems that it has corrupted most of its citizens, which unfortunately mostly are Jews. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] platypode@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago That still wouldn’t justify including “Jew” in a list of otherwise entirely negative descriptors permalink fedilink source parent [–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 3 months ago you're forgetting that there are plenty of non-israeli jews.. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 3 months ago (3 children) Israel and the IDF (shittiest band name ever, period) are making it really REALY hard not to do tha Only if you consider anything they say to be true, which you shouldn't. Pretending that Israel is accurately representative of all Jews is itself an antisemitic trope, no matter how many Zionists in and outside of Israel subscribe to it, and we'd do well to not fall for the "some Jews think it's true, so it must be" trap of Zionist Hasbara. I'd say it would be extremely helpful for all Jews world wide if Israel would just stop murdering babies in the biggest genocide since WWII ABSOLUTELY. Until then, though, it behooves us to believe nothing Hasbarists say and remember that there's a lot of anti- or at least non-zionist Jews who don't deserve to be lumped in with the genocidal maniacs and their fan club. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Saying Israel is evil isn't antisemitism. Blaming Jews for Israel's sins is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago That's a WAY more concise version of my main point, yeah 😁 permalink fedilink source parent [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago Most Jewish people I know personally are also the biggest anti-zionists I know. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Nope, why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago You're very welcome! I hate to see you guys lumped in with the crazies like that.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Saying Israel is evil isn't antisemitism. Blaming Jews for Israel's sins is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago That's a WAY more concise version of my main point, yeah 😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago That's a WAY more concise version of my main point, yeah 😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago Most Jewish people I know personally are also the biggest anti-zionists I know. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Nope, why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago You're very welcome! I hate to see you guys lumped in with the crazies like that.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Nope, why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago You're very welcome! I hate to see you guys lumped in with the crazies like that.. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago You're very welcome! I hate to see you guys lumped in with the crazies like that.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago You're very welcome! I hate to see you guys lumped in with the crazies like that.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 months ago I mean, ISIS and the taliban were/are pretty horrific, but that's not an excuse to be shitty to Muslims. This really isn't different enough to matter. They aren't shit because they're Jewish, they're shit and happen to be Jewish. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] platypode@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) No, they aren’t. It’s extremely easy to separate the actions of the Israeli state from the beliefs and moral worth of the Jewish people. A great way to start is by actually talking to Jews, you will find that many are incredibly disenfranchised by Israel’s actions. Sure, some support the IDF, but so do many American Christians, so you can’t exactly draw conclusions from that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) Yeah but it's not. I only see the polls where most Israelis don't support Netanyahu because they WANT MORE. I don't think Jews are a problem or the problem here, I do think Israel as a state is such a problems that it has corrupted most of its citizens, which unfortunately mostly are Jews. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] platypode@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago That still wouldn’t justify including “Jew” in a list of otherwise entirely negative descriptors permalink fedilink source parent [–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 3 months ago you're forgetting that there are plenty of non-israeli jews.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) Yeah but it's not. I only see the polls where most Israelis don't support Netanyahu because they WANT MORE. I don't think Jews are a problem or the problem here, I do think Israel as a state is such a problems that it has corrupted most of its citizens, which unfortunately mostly are Jews. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] platypode@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago That still wouldn’t justify including “Jew” in a list of otherwise entirely negative descriptors permalink fedilink source parent [–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 3 months ago you're forgetting that there are plenty of non-israeli jews.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] platypode@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago That still wouldn’t justify including “Jew” in a list of otherwise entirely negative descriptors permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 3 months ago you're forgetting that there are plenty of non-israeli jews.. permalink fedilink source parent