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The Matrix (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 92 points 3 months ago (60 children)

The Matrix hits different once you realize everything was humanity’s fault

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  • [–] 128 points 3 months ago (36 children)

    " hits different once you listen to what the characters say" is truly a take

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  • [–] 98 points 3 months ago (18 children)

    Let people grow, man.

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  • [–] 61 points 3 months ago* (15 children)

    if you know something i don't you are a nerd and if you don't know something i know then you are an idiot

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  • [–] 34 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Whatever, nerd.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Shut up idiot

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Guys guys guys! Don’t fight! Let’s meet in the middle and compromise, you’re both nerdiots!

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    objectively correct, making everyone simultaneously a nerd and an idiot, which cancels out.

    except santa, the fucken nerd

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    TIL that Santa is omniscient 🤔

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I would worship Santa. At least we know he's real.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Was referring to the Animatrix 1st and 2nd Renaissance genius.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    i've seen animatrix but it's also, like, in the original

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Morpheus literally says they dont know who striked first. The Matrix doesnt mention anything about how or why the war started. Just that it started. The Animatrix tells you that the war started because the robot capital had basically destroyed the global economy so humans tried to wipe them out

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The war started because of hierarchy and hate. They abused and killed the earliest sentient robots causing them to flee to their own space.

    All along the robots sought peace until they learned it was impossible with humans.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Humanity created everything that led to its destruction.

    The message was clear in the first movie. We didn't need to see "Han shot first" or "Han shot in self defense after changes to the story came about years later".

    Although in no way will I be complaining about more matrix, bring me more matrix history, animated or live action! I just think the message doesn't change whether humans shot first or not. We created the circumstances, our downfall was our own making.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Hm, I think it does make the message stronger. If a single event (development of sentient machines) leads to our downfall, it's easy to shrug it off as "bad luck", because who could have foreseen it back then?

    But if we had multiple chances to correct course and we kept fucking up, it removes any doubt that it's a human flaw, which means "humanity must reflect and change, or this is the inevitable conclusion".

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Fight Club really hits different when you realize the main character is Tyler Durden

    Avatar really hits different when you realize the Navi are just defending themselves.

    Indiana Jones really hits different when you realize the bad guys are Nazis.

    Jurassic park really hits different when you realize John Hammond ignored all the warnings.

    John Wick really hits different when you realize they killed his dog.

    Star Wars really hits different when you realize the chosen one bringing balance meant revitalizing the dark side.

    ... Old men like me don't bother with making points. There's no point.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (20 children)

    It’s been said a million times that the human battery thing makes no sense in terms of energy production. But the other huge sin the Matrix commits is having humans block out the sun so robots can’t get solar power. That is ridiculously stupid. Humans need to grow crops. I rest my case. It’s stupid. I love these movies, but that part is just plain stupid.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago (17 children)

    There's conflicting stories about it so it's hard to verify, but apparently the battery thing was a rewrite.

    Apparently originally the people plugged into the matrix were meant to be the very hardware the matrix was run on. As in all their brains together formed a literal neural network that provided the processing power to run the matrix. This is then why knowing it's not real and believing you can do "the impossible" within the matrix can cause you to be able to bend reality. The story goes that executives thought it was too high of a concept for audiences to grasp and demanded the change to the battery explanation to make it simpler to follow.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago*

    The fun part is that the inhabitants of Zion are, canonically, shown to have very incomplete information about the actual state of the world, their own history, how the machine civilization works.

    Neo is told basically 'we think it is the year 2XXX, but really, we have no idea', in the first movie.

    Without spoiling much... Morpheus is wrong about some things, some pretty important things.

    Hell, so is the Architect and even the Oracle says that some things are beyond her ability to predict.

    But anyway... its entirely possible that the battery explanation is just another thing that Morpheus, the broad understanding of Zion itself, is wrong about.

    So this doesn't actually 'break' the canon at all.

    In fact, I'd argue that it makes the idea of 'free your mind' even more interesting and complex.

    Even the truthseekers and truthtellers... can be wrong.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, it was changed because someone thought that the explanation scene wouldn't work if they were holding up a CPU. They forced them to use a battery instead, forever ruining the backstory.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, humans would never destroy natural resources in favor of some tech fix or just kinda assume that the planet would fix itself... /s

    My headcannon on the human battery thing is that the machines have core programming to make reasonable efforts to preserve human life. Designing power reactors (look how thick the cores are on the towers) with humans slapped to the side technically aligns with the core programming while allowing them to stick it to us apes. It's also why the attack on Zion was one tentacle abductor machine for each human instead of dumping super plague down the hole and calling it a day.

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