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Im really curious as to how a nissan gathers details about sexual activity. I mean teslas have interior cameras that use image recognition to confirm that your eyes are on the road for safety, The data verifiably never leaves the car and is never saved but “Collecting data on facial expressions” seems like kind of a weird and dishonest spin on that.
“Volkswagen’s cars reportedly know if you’re fastening your seatbelt” Is that just the occupancy sensor and seat belt sensor letting you know you forgot to fasten your seatbelt? or that one of your passengers is unbuckled? I wouldn’t consider that an invasion of privacy.
Collecting the data is not whats important when theres safety implications. Its what’s done with the data thats important and potentially privacy invading. Nissan does have the term about selling your data in writing, thats probably more of a legal blanket statement to cover them in the future for some super weird edge case.
Generally speaking privacy invasions are more aligned with free services
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https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/
Sorry I don’t see any indication that this was from the interior camera, only the exterior cameras recording public spaces (dashcam)
From the article you linked:
So (1) it is opt-in specifically, and (2) that article is taking about the external cameras.
Sorry but how.. how do you verify this?
Is all of the Tesla car software suite open source? Are the schematics of the car, at least about all the cabling and technical components publicly available? Or was it just the Tesla PR department saying that they of course don't do that because they value your privacy so, so much?
Tesla cares are big, remote controllable black boxes, that can receive software updates at any moment without you even knowing.
Teslas have a WiFi and cellular modem. You can’t tell what exactly its sending or receiving because encryption, but uploading video to Tesla’s servers means a much larger data set than just telemetry. It is very easy to see if something like that is coming across.
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-EDAD116F-3C73-40FA-A861-68112FF7961F.html
No need to exfiltrate the whole video stream: extract features and call them 'telemetry'.
about the tesla interior camera. no it does not. at least not in a very useful way. it tries to maybe detect that you probably are not distracted. one way to make it give up is wearing sunglasses.
I wear sunglasses to drive all the time. If I look down at the touchscreen to use the nav it beeps at me and tells me to keep my eyes on the road. It will even detect if you have a phone in your hand. Where do you see that it doesn’t monitor in any useful way? Would you prefer that people not be reminded of distracted driving?
I had no idea that tesla employees had seen interior camera shots. Do you have an article?
It’s also opt-in by the car owner. Even Firefox will suck up your private data if you opt-in yet this community seems fine with that.